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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 31 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The jewish people have never wholly owned that area. Persians, Arabs, and many other races have also always lived there. It’s literally in the bible.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Also remember that the bronze age Jews were not at all special among the tribes of the area, their story about themselves is aggrandizing fiction that all the tribes did, it's just the Jews' stories survived and became popular

Also bronze age. Those that left left so long ago, the only right they have to the place is military might and the legal right given based on lobbying and the racism of the law makers in question.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Iron age, the Hebrew age of myth was set during the bronze age and in the immediate period of the bronze age collapse. Moses was bronze age, david was post bronze age collapse, the first diaspora was during the early Iron age, and the second diaspora was during antiquity.

Sorry if im being anal about it but one of the few good things about the old testament is that it tracks the evolution from bronze to iron pretty well, also Cyrus the great works as a solid historical reference point. But yeah there was about 700 years between the end of the bronze age and the end of the first diaspora, and about a thousand years to the second diaspora. For reference the Roman empire still existed seven hundred years ago.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 55 minutes ago

Thanks, I'm not great on biblical history, so corrections and detail are welcome

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The bible that has how many version and retellings?

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

They genocided the Canaanites in all of them.

There is historical/archaeological/genetic evidence.

That was how they stole that land in the first place. By murdering every man, woman, child, and animal in the land.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

If you're using the old testament to say they lived there then you cannot ignore the old testament saying other people lived there too.