this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2024
36 points (63.2% liked)

PC Gaming

8576 readers
219 users here now

For PC gaming news and discussion. PCGamingWiki

Rules:

  1. Be Respectful.
  2. No Spam or Porn.
  3. No Advertising.
  4. No Memes.
  5. No Tech Support.
  6. No questions about buying/building computers.
  7. No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
  8. No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
  9. No off-topic posts/comments, within reason.
  10. Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates. (Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources. If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
EXiLExJD@lemmy.ca
UncleBadTouch@lemmy.ca
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
36
The most promising Disco Elysium successor studio says workers must unite to topple Valve's 'digital fiefdom' of Steam (www.pcgamer.com)
submitted 3 weeks ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca
119 comments fedilink hide all child comments
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Are they gatekeepers though? It's not like they own Windows or Linux and stop you from using any other store. Just having the biggest audience doesn't make them gatekeepers to the market.

I never see people talking about what valve should change other than lowering the 30% cut, but arbitrarily forcing that would set a bad precedent.

Instead of virtue signalling here's reasonable things Valve could do:

  • allow developers to chose what features of steam they use for each game, allowing them to lower the cut by individually opting out of forums, workshop, cloud saves, achievements, inventory items etc
  • offer a purchase = one time download with no drm (still legally one copy) for the closest thing to "owning" a digital game
  • allow someone to inherit a steam account

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure proton is free to use and you can install stores and games not from steam on a Steam Deck, so again I really don't know what they're gatekeeping.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For specifics, I'd like to see consistent, transparent censorship standards, and Steam Workshop files made publicly available.

Steam's censorship issues are only going to be more of a problem as the Japanese PC market continues its explosive growth. The platform's inconsistency is surely frustrating Japanese developers, and the lack of transparency is giving fuel to a (not unearned) narrative that its content reviewers are arbitrary and xenophobic.

The Workshop matter is far smaller in comparison, but Steam is gatekeeping crowdsourced work product.

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

The workshop is an interesting topic and one if like to see a larger discussion around - theoretically people are free to upload their workshop content outside of Steam altogether, but arguably it's on developers to support importing non-workshop content.

Censorship is definitely something that needs sorting out. I hadn't heard of much censorship going on but I can definitely see it happening, giv n Japan's standards can differentiate massively from America's. Clear rules need to be laid, and I hope clear reasons are given when it occurs.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I see why steam doesn't let people inherit a account and why they don't let people chose what features they use.

The inheritance is likely a legal issue with the license, officially they don't let you do it, but just logging in changing the account email and taking it will nither be noticed nor do they care.

And the features is likely because they have running costs, the small stuff like cloud save and community cost them almost nothing, what is costly is the games distribution itself and that's what they get the money for (also the advertising on the Front page). You need to send all the data from a server as close as possible to the user downloading it, steam operates in almost any country in the world. Its a huge amount of data they need to store, backup, secure and transmit, they do cut their share after a certain amount of copys are sold because they are then in the plus with less money, but they also pay for all the free games, all the mods and all the other stuff.

publishing on steam costs nothing, they just take a share, and thats a fair share in my opinion, when you don't sell, steam gets nothing and eats the costs, when you sell they gain from it as well and probability recommend people your game that are willing to buy it.

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm with you on all of this. I'm familiar with this (am a game dev) and you're 100% right that the biggest cost is game distribution. One thing though: it costs ~$100 to list a game on Steam, which is returned to you after it's made a thousand or two.

Honestly there's nothing much valve can do to appease people, but I believe the most likely thing they can do is release data on how much distribution costs and give companies the ability to disable the "extra stuff" to save even a few percent of their revenue.

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One thing though: it costs ~$100 to list a game on Steam, which is returned to you after it's made a thousand or two.

Thanks for the input. Wasn't aware of that, is this a recent thing?

[–] Charzard4261@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It got added when they moved from Greenlight to the current system IIRC.

Double checked and it's called the "Steam Direct fee", is $100 (+ potential taxes) and you get it back when the game makes $1,000 "Adjusted Gross Revenue".

[–] BonerMan@ani.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

Ah that makes sense.