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Summary: Japan has introduced strict new penalties for cyclists using mobile phones or riding under the influence, aiming to curb rising bicycle accidents. Cyclists caught using phones now face up to six months in jail or a 100,000 yen fine ($655; £508), while riding drunk can lead to three years in prison or a 500,000 yen fine ($3,278; £2,541). These rules follow a rise in bicycle accidents, which now account for over 20% of Japan's traffic incidents, as cycling grew during the pandemic. The measures build on recent laws requiring helmets and imposing fines for cycling violations.

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[–] testuserpleaseupvote@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

What are those cyclists having accidents with? Magical monoliths that appear out of nowhere or... cars?

While cycling in Tokyo, you either zigzag through convoluted residential street, risk it on large avenues with sharrows or annoy pedestrians by riding on sidewalks. This is not sustainable, something has to give.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I've had my jaw fractured by a cyclist who knocked into me due to not paying attention. I now have an ugly scar because of it.

There's all kinds of obstacles in cities. Including hundreds of thousands to millions of people. I can tell you from experience that a bike going into you at 30-40 km/h will hurt.

It's not at all unreasonable to be against people pissing about on their phones while cycling.

The issue is compounded by cyclists who ride through pedestrian areas, cyclists who seem to think red lights don't apply to them, and people getting electric bikes and whizzing around effortlessly at a high speed.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What are those cyclists having accidents with? Magical monoliths that appear out of nowhere or... cars?

Yeah... Whenever I'm on foot in the city I'm twice as nervous about being hit by a cyclist as I am a car.

They ride on sidewalks, don't stop at lights, weave through pedestrians at crosswalks, etc.

They seem to be so full of themselves for not being in a car that they forget that they can also injure people.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This might be survivorship bias. If you get hit by a cyclist, you might - worst case Ontario - break a limb or something if they send you flying into something else. If you get hit by a driver, you are definitely going to break something and you will most likely die.

As for how likely it is that you actually get hit - do you think it's easier to avoid a 2' x 6' object moving at 15 mph or a 8' x 16' object moving at 45 mph?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As for how likely it is that you actually get hit - do you think it’s easier to avoid a 2’ x 6’ object moving at 15 mph or a 8’ x 16’ object moving at 45 mph?

The cars are where I expect them to be - and they are much more likely to slow if they see me on the crosswalk. Dude on a bike just swerves around me at speed.

Cyclists like to think they're still pedestrians when it suits their purpose.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I used to bike like this when I was a teenager, and I try not to now. If someone was in the crosswalk, I'd slightly adjust my speed and path to pass behind or in front of them as space allowed, just like they were any other obstacle. Because I didn't realize how unpleasant it feels to be startled by a bike going past, or even if you know they're coming it's still uncomfortable that they're going fast.

As a biker it took me a lot of life experience to realize that even if the situation was perfectly safe (I've always been in control and never hit anyone), pedestrians are not unreasonable for disliking bikes riding fast in their personal space.

But in a lot of countries, bikes have to be like pedestrians sometimes because the bike infrastructure is so spotty or non-existant. You'll try to use the bike path but it just ends. Or there's so safe way to turn left, or whatever.

But in other places, like Berlin, Germany, old people will yell at you if you're biking in the wrong place and it's pretty great because there's usually a good bike path right there that you could be using.

PS. In my walking experience, bikes are way more likely to see me if I'm crossing a crosswalk than cars. Sometimes cars drive right through when you're waiting to cross, where a biker will usually acknowledge me and let me cross.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Fair response - thanks for your insight.

[–] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

shrug Where I live, cars feel (and know) that they're invincible and likely to suffer no punishment if they kill someone.

Drivers like to think that they can do no wrong all the time, not just when it suits their purpose.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Whenever I’m on foot in the city I’m twice as nervous about being hit by a cyclist as I am a car.

Then you don't care about your life.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

🙄 bikes can do no harm