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[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Has ESR always been antigay or is the latest ‘gays=pedo” spiel new?

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

New for him, I'd wager, but I think ESR is treading a well-worn path: i.e. a huge weirdo gets himself in trouble but then finds favor with terrible people, and ultimately suffers from audience capture.

Edit: I was wrong, it's not new (hat tip to @Soyweiser)

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

ESR went like this after 9/11

[–] m@blat.at 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@dgerard @o7___o7 He was weird and creepy before that (see his attempts to make the Jargon File say that everyone in hackerdom was just like him), but yeah, hoo boy. Him and the LGF guy were prominent cheerleaders for Dick Cheney's wilder fever dreams back in the day. The LGF guy got better, ESR didn't.

[–] cstross@wandering.shop 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@m @dgerard @o7___o7 @techtakes Back in 2007 I was a guest of honour at Penguicon. ESR was there and we got talking. As of 2007 he was all-in on all the insane "Eurabia" conspiracy theories and islamophobia. If you'd taken his word salad and substituted "jews" for "muslims" Julius Streicher would have hired him as a columnist in a split second. (That's when I added ESR to my list of "people I will not share a platform with".)

He was somewhat less cray-cray in 2003.

[–] mpk@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago

In the very late 90s - so only a year or two after the Good Friday Agreement - he gave a talk in Dublin. The only part I remember was when he went off on his tangent about access to guns being an essential component of a free society and then stood there wondering why he was suddenly being heckled.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think that might be new levels of shithead for him. E: it was not new for him http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=26

Bonus content : https://xcancel.com/esrtweet/status/1852466515519341014#m 'im not a racist, im an empericist'

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Racism is insane; it fixates on superficial characteristics like skin color rather than important ones like IQ and time preference.

I'm sorry, "time preference"? Is this piece of shit referring to Colored People's Time as a scientific concept or am I missing something?

This is such a cursed tweet ughhhhh

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

racism is insane

…ok…

introducing racism 2

Oh I see

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The plot of Seveneves, but worse.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think that is a reference to the 'eat 1 cookie now or wait, and get 2 cookies' childrens thing. Racists refer to it often. (This also means the black eat the 1 cookie kids can't build empires bla bla bla).

(when I search for the term on youtube, it instantly gave me a video linking it to cultural degeneracy for example. Really annoying you can't block channels properly. Also the mises institute has a video on it)

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh cool it's even worse then!

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

(This particular study, if there even is a real study, is infuriating because what it's really measuring is how much you trust a figure of authority to keep their promise. I wonder why black kids would have issues with this!)

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Study finds greedy white children would rather have two fictitious cookies than one real one they can eat.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago

One weird trick explains venture capital!

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

Poor hungry kids also more likely to want to eat now than later. Big shocks, clearly this must mean the poor are deficient in some genetic way.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

referring to Colored People’s Time

to the what now? What cursed horror beyond my comprehension am I going to learn today?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I recommend looking it up. I believe it’s a term that has been reclaimed by Black people. Obama referenced it as CPT (in response to some other event) in his 2016 WHC dinner speech.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago

I hope at least CPT does not have daylight's savings

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Black people are late sometimes" but in a racist way instead of a "Repent, Harlequin" kind of way.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

White people are late sometimes too...?

It goes back to the old "steppin fetchit" racist charicature of the lazy black man, usually either enslaved or formerly enslaved depending on when we're talking.