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From internal leaks within the company as well as external analysis, the tip of the iceberg behind Facebook's spyware empire is exposed. Take a look to better protect yourself when you're not even on the platform: https://simplifiedprivacy.com/facebooks-corrupt-off-platform-surveillance/

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[–] baggins@beehaw.org 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It can and has. There's no way I could keep in touch with old army mates. They won't all move to other platforms. I don't even know of an alternative for group chats and finding people.

Unfortunately I have to go along with it. I keep it locked down as much as possible, use it only on Linux desktop etc. But there you go.

[–] AnAngryAlpaca@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My brother, you all have email, phone, txt...

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know these are there - I said so in my post. It does not work when others are on FB and will/can not leave for another platform. None of that is comparable to to FB for group chat, looking for people, swapping pics etc. People may not want their phone number given out (a bit ironic when FB has everything else I know).

It's so easy (and dare I say lazy?) to just say 'FB bad, use phone/Signal/email etc.' but not offer any real alternatives. Let's face it, FB has this covered. It's so simple to get your nan, mate to join because all their friends/relatives/workmates are on it. There's no shame in admitting that it provides a valuable service for some people.

[–] AnAngryAlpaca@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I think it did in the past when FB would show you exclusively posts and pictures from your friends. This is no longer the case, its an advertisement and fake news platform that has long alienated all sane people to the point where they no longer log in or post anything.

All I see now when I open fb is "shares" from obviously bogus or right wing sources that my not so bright ex classmates or boomer relatives post, or ads.

[–] foo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago

None of which are the same or similar interaction process if they were it never would have taken off

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have a tablet in my kitchen I use while cooking. I have only couple of apps on it, it does not sync my contacts and I don't use it to browse the web daily. That's when my WhatsApp client is installed. I still get messages, just not instantly. With Facebook groups you don't have to be online 24/7, you can just check them from time to time.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

That's not a bad idea - I might try that with a spare tablet I have.

[–] Leafeytea@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Discord is my solution. I made a server, invited my friends in EU and we blab away for hours whenever we want, including video calls. We are happy with it 🙂

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

That works for you and friends - fine. It does not work when others are on FB and will/can not leave for another platform.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Telegram, discord, mastadon, signal, session, etc there are too many to list

[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Which are all useless if nobody you want to talk to is there.

[–] jcarax@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Oh, that's why it was so easy for me. There's nobody I want to talk to.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then simple text or oldschool phonecalls work

[–] foo@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Facebook is a passive form of information feed on your family and friends. Phone calls are not a direct analog to them.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Some would say that is better

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't switch away from messenger until everyone else does, because a chat app that doesn't actually connect me to the people I want to talk to is worthless to me

---Everyone

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lacks a publicly accessible user database. I can't get your info unless we have a mutual.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Which I like, semi aquaintance relationships are just fodder

[–] foo@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago

Discord is a giant data hog. It's not a good argument.

The thing that Facebook has is momentum and a passive feed.

[–] baggins@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know these are there - I said so in my post. It does not work when others are on FB and will/can not leave for another platform.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] baggins@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. Simply not suitable or practical.

But you do you.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Lol, passive agressive much