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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 125 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What's the point of primary and secondary backups if they can be accessed with the same credentials on the same network

[–] CrateDane@feddit.dk 16 points 10 months ago

They weren't normally on the same network, but were accidentally put on the same network during migration.

[–] snaptastic@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What’s the correct way to implement it so that it can still be automated? Credentials that can write new backups but not delete existing ones?

[–] Haui@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know if it is the „correct“ way but I do it the other way around. I have a server and a backup server. Server user can‘t even see backup server but packs a backup, backup server pulls the data with read only access, main server deletes backup, done.

[–] VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

For an organisation hosting as many companies data as this one I'd expect automated tape at a minimum. Of course, if the attacker had the time to start messing with the tape that's lost as well but it's unlikely.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 3 points 10 months ago

It depends what's the pricing. For example ovh didn't keep any extra backup when their datacenter took fire. But if a customer paid for backup, it was kept off-site and was recovered

It might be even pretending to be a big hosting company when they're actually renting a dozen deds from a big player, much cheaper than maintaining a data center with 99.999% uptime

[–] rentar42@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago

Fundamentally there's no need for the user/account that saves the backup somewhere to be able to read let alone change/delete it.

So ideally you have "write-only" credentials that can only append/add new files.

How exactly that is implemented depends on the tech. S3 and S3 compatible systems can often be configured that data straight up can't be deleted from a bucket at all.

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

A tape library that uses a robot arm https://youtu.be/sYgnCWOVysY?t=30s

Backups that are not connected to any device are not susceptible to being overwritten and encrypted by malware.

[–] reflex@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

A tape library that uses a robot arm
https://youtu.be/sYgnCWOVysY?t=30s

Or like that vault in Rogue One?

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[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 1 points 10 months ago

i use immutable objects on backblaze b2

from command line using their tool is something like b2 sync SOURCE BUCKET

and from the bucket setting disable object deletion

also borgbase allows this, backups can be created but deletions/overwrites are not permanent (unless you enabled them)