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Ahhh yes the problem is that Hexbear came in and agreed it is racist, and then the racists threw a fit.
Lmao give it a rest. Calling you a racist isn't abuse, you just don't like being called on it and now you're pissing and whining about it.
It'll be great, you lot will opt out of seeing us, and opt out of cultural opposition to us. Meanwhile the vast majority will not, and without the far right as a constant source of distraction, concern trolling and sealioning the leftist influence will be even higher.
Casual racism != minor issue
Denial of racism != minor issue
Unless you're a racist
You can strip the argument of all nuance and make all the false ~~equivelances~~ dichotomies you want, but you can fuck right off with it while you are at it, go crawl back to your imaginary arguments in your black and white world, you are clearly not here to discuss anything in good faith. I will engage with hexbear when you offer something of substance besides your adolescent maximalism.
There isn't any fucking nuance.
There is us pointing out something is racist.
There are racists claiming it is not.
There are racists claiming that the people calling you racist are being abusive for doing so.
That's it. That's the discussion. And you look pathetic for it. You were on the side of every other word I mentioned earlier too.
I don't understand how this was an issue of "lack of nuance" or "black and white" thinking... Either the term is racist or it is not? ... Is it disparaging a group of people based on racial/cultural/ethnic stereotypes? Yeah. Is it reinforcing and normalizing those stereotypes and upholding an ideal "normal" that is associated with being part of the dominant group? Yeah. Does it seem petty and pedantic? Racism generally does take on a petty and pedantic character... When you go out of your way to deny these things, you are only doing it in service of upholding racist norms. You don't have to continue to defend it, you can acknowledge that it could cause a community harm and move on with your life by avoiding the harmful behavior. Changing the way you speak might seem annoying or like an imposition, but if you think that racism is harmful and want to challenge it by being anti-racist, ultimately people have to change the way they think, speak, and behave... but it is a good change. Embrace it.
On you go with the imaginary argument. I am not with you so I must be against you, right? I do not have and never did have a problem with getting rid of the word.
I will reitterate that the only problem I have is with the stinking garbage heap called hexbear.
It is so interesting because I was engaging with you in a good faith, laying out an argument about why this might be more straightforward then you are letting on. But you called my argument imaginary and then called the instance I am a part of a garbage heap? Who is being uncivil?
Boy I can't wait for instance blocking
Go eat some grass nerd
I see no pronouns in names on my end boss.
lol stfu you dweebs whine about our pronouns all day long
Ok, so you're not necessarily a transphobe, but just another of this string of month-old accounts who has barely been active on this site at all beyond throwing a tantrum about hexbear users "coming in and ruining everything".
Well I'd vager it is because we come to lemmy to escape reddit and all we see is hexbear users coming in and ruining everything. I mean as I stated earlier, even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs. If that community has a problem with you, and that does not raise any flags, idk what does.
I don't want to go all "well akshually" here, but actually we defedded from blahaj because the community is largely made up of r/196 users who post transphobic chaser shit without getting banned by the mods there. Yes, of course these people also have a problem with us because they're rabid anti-communists, but we defedded form them because they're a bunch of sex pests fetishizing and objectifying trans people and thinking it's ok to make demands about which genitals we're allowed to have to please their fetishes. Why should we stay federated with an instance like that?
And again, I have nothing against the core values of hexbear, I sympathise with most of them, including communism, but every time I see hexbear out in the wild it is a screaming match blown out of proportion. If anyone ever appears to be having a tantrum, it seems to be hexbear users 9/10 times for not getting their way the moment they opened their mouth.
BTW you're the one typing frothing-at-the-mouth replies to everybody commenting on your post. Maybe you're not one to talk about screaming matches and tantrums.
They're literally right there in both of our instances
WefWef shows only the username.
when a conservative gets unreasonably triggered they are 5-15x more likely to start projecting
this is very evocative dr ratso, would you like to talk some more about your relationship with your mother?
weird of you to think of breastmilk, anything you want to tell us
Lmao, is that supposed to hurt my feelings?
But wait. Hold your horses there mr inclusivity. Is that a fatshaming insult?
Seethe
Your comment does not belong in this subreddit. It does not add to the topic, if you think comments don't fit in the community do report them and move on.
Edit You also are quite a new user to the lemmy-verse from this month (compared to multiple year old users posting to you), which mostly is reducing the quality on communities on one hand and also got quite a few comments deleted. I urge you to read up on nettiquette and change your attitude if you want to be a positive contributing influence to this community.
Right, because hexbear coming in shitting on everyone and calling an entire community racist for unwittingly using a racist term in a context fairly removed from the original meaning is so helpful to discourse. Im only returning blows in kind. And I am so terribly sorry ye ole lemmy wizard, for speaking out of turn. Ill wait so I can speak with the rest of us, younglings.
"It's not common knowledge that this term has racist origins, but it does and we should stop using it" == "Y'all racist"
yes thanks
Yes, clearly, that is the cool an levelheaded contributions hexbear brought to this thread. Absolutely no gaslighting here.
idk man I'm just reading OP and the only thing called "racist" is the word itself
I never had a single problem with OP itself, the sauce is in the comments.
Nobody has called the entire community racist, the callouts have been exclusively to people like you defending a term that obviously plays with one of the most common racial stereotypes about East Asians. Taking a racist term out of context doesn't make the term not racist, it only means that a still racist term has gained even wider use.
Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term, I have only ever attacked hexbear code of conduct. I even stated that I am for not using it in a since (mod) removed comment. I thought the term was dumb even before I (like most of this comm) found out about the origins through this thread. The only context in which I have defended it is in this convo and only in the aspect of the response it has gotten from hexbear, which if you don't feel is entirely disproportionate, we have nothing more to talk about.
You're straight-up lying, kiddo.
It's mommy, please edit your post while i look up your defense of racism in the modlogs. I'd have to report you for purposefully leaving up a misgendering otherwise and i don't think your account will survive that after all these comments have already been removed.
Lmao, I won't idulge your powertrip, which at this point is blatant. I might have if you had actually asked nicely not through a thinly veiled threat. If it doesn't survive your report, so be it. Let the record show I included both versions because I had no clue what your pronouns are and I don't think your infantilizing response warrants any more respect from me than that.
I retract my statement, of course you're also a transphobe besiodes being a racist, a diaper fetishist and the most pathetic pencil-headed dweeb i've seen since federation began.
Oh, and those transphobe claims too.
Quote up on those racist claims there buddy (that one is gender neutral, afaik).
BTW this really isn't a good look for somebody who's already revealed their breastfeeding fetish, maybe you want to cut that part out entirely.
Your fantasies of my breastfeeding fetish really dont phase me.
lol stfu diaper boy
Wow, way to show your true colors :D Its pretty funny I have seen attempts at me to kinkshame and fatshame from the civil inclusivity instance.