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[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Trump winning by a landslide and European libs now waking up and realizing that, maybe, outsourcing your military security and economy to the US is not exactly the wisest of things

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The European libs are barely even cognisant of the concepts of dollar hegemony or uni/multi polarity. For them, politics is a struggle between good and evil.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The European libs are barely even cognisant of the concepts of dollar hegemony or uni/multi polarity.

And if they do, they're planning to live and die with Amerikkkan hegemony and its dollar, for some damned reason. See Josep Borrell's speeches, including that of Garden vs. Jungle speech.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Generalíssim Borrell fa arribar els trens a l'hora.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Why would that matter? The US would blow up any infrastructure for an independent Europe like they did with Nord Stream 2. Failing that, look at what they did to Ukraine. There is no way out for Europe unless we commit collective class suicide on a national level and good luck convincing the libs of that.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Europe's entire economy hinges on American hegemony. EU is literally unable to decouple from the US without completely restructuring its entire economy and political structure.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, Europe was starting to get integrated with the east economically. Germany had cheap energy from Russia, and China was a huge market. If things kept going the way they were, eventually the US grip on Europe would loosen as a result. Hence why we had to have a war in Ukraine.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TBH, I don't think "turning Eastern Europe and Russia into an extraction semicolony for the EU" can be considered a good development. Of course, we then had an even worse development.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Russia was turning into a raw materials exporter for the EU which definitely wasn't great for them. In the end, things worked out a lot better for Russia than Europe. They now have reliable partners in the Global South who aren't trying to destroy them, and the war forced Russia to start industrializing again and developing an actual economy.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago

The Europeans made some charade of distancing themselves from the US during Trump's first term, but then Biden got elected and everyone just forgot why they were ever critical of vassalization to the US in the first place.