this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2024
35 points (97.3% liked)

No Stupid Questions

36154 readers
1029 users here now

No such thing. Ask away!

!nostupidquestions is a community dedicated to being helpful and answering each others' questions on various topics.

The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)


Rule 1- All posts must be legitimate questions. All post titles must include a question.

All posts must be legitimate questions, and all post titles must include a question. Questions that are joke or trolling questions, memes, song lyrics as title, etc. are not allowed here. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.



Rule 2- Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.

Your question subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.



Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.



Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.



Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Questions which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.



Rule 6- Regarding META posts and joke questions.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-question posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

On fridays, you are allowed to post meme and troll questions, on the condition that it's in text format only, and conforms with our other rules. These posts MUST include the [NSQ Friday] tag in their title.

If you post a serious question on friday and are looking only for legitimate answers, then please include the [Serious] tag on your post. Irrelevant replies will then be removed by moderators.



Rule 7- You can't intentionally annoy, mock, or harass other members.

If you intentionally annoy, mock, harass, or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.



Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.



Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.



Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.



Credits

Our breathtaking icon was bestowed upon us by @Cevilia!

The greatest banner of all time: by @TheOneWithTheHair!

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

A common critic we hear about an EU wide army is What language are they gonna speak but let's forget Europe 2024,

Rome had a huge empire over the whole Europe, I may be wrong, but I don't think that commoner spoke proper Latin in remote province. What happens when they join the legion ? Would the units be split by origin region (Dacian with Dacian, Lugdunumese with Lugdunemese) with only officer speaking latin ? Or would you merge legionaries from different province (So you have Tingitanian, a Lustitanian and a Thracian in the same unit) and give them a crash course in military latin (the way the french foreign legion does? ) Even going as far as Rome, Karl the great empire also spread over half of Europe, and modern European nation used to be way more multi-lingual than they are today, and most likely a random southerner/northerner in Britain, France or Germany couldn't talk to each other.

So how did ancient armies managed the language question ?

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Good god no. Conjugation is bad enough in English. You don’t want know what my latin grammar is like.

For the record the phonetic alphabet isn’t language and I’m pretty sure there’s slight differences between regions/languages. (Alpha, Able, Apple; for example,)

It’s just a way to spell out letters for clarity over radio. The idea is to create extra syllables in the letters using “familiar” words so that if static or something comes across, you can piece it together; also, “a” is easily confused for “way” or “say” or “may”, and such.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

As far as I understood, @Lazycog@sopuli.xyz was talking about the phonetic alphabet used in the armies of NATO countries, which is standardised by ICAO as Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, ... and is not the everyday phonetic alphabet in each country, e.g. in Germany commonly Anton, Bertha, Cäsar, ... but there are plenty of different versions and variants for each German speaking country.

If we would go back to Latin, it wouldn't be the Latin as spoken by Cicero but some Vulgar Latin, as it is the origin of Romance languages like Italian, with simpler grammar.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

oh, it's definitely standardized, no doubt. But people are people, and some of them are going to call out as it's familiar to them, and in some sort of urgent response... you're not going to get too confused at the German guy reading off grid coordinates as '24-Richard Wilhelm Theodor...' to get to a particular random stretch of the Atlantic. (using the MGRS coordinates. 24RWT)

but most of my point was that's not an actual language; you're still going to have to designate some language as the common language- and get enough understanding to at least be functional in that. it seems logical to just pick one... but, uh... well. humans aren't very logical.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

If a German reads 24-richard-wilhelm-theodore to an English guy, he'd write down 24RVT if going by the sound, 24RWT if knowing German pronounces the W with a V sound. This is _exactly_why the NATO alphabet is standardized and swapping things around "in an emergency" isn't permissible. There are so many variances in pronunciations between languages like this. Since you're writing in English, watch what happens if you hear someone use Spanish and French words like "Javier Habanero Ennui Allo". An English speaker might know the words, or might write down HOOO. And then there's regional differences like Spain with some hard Cs or THs instead of soft C or Mexico with some indigenous Xs that sound like CH instead of H. Not to mention the typical English pronunciation of Uniform starts with a Y sound (some groups say oo-nee-form). And it's not xylophone in every language, so why not write down a Z?

That's why they developed one, singular group of words for the alphabet. It's not perfect, but it's the group that was picked.

P is for Pterodactyl. C as in Czar.

[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Exactly my point, thank you for clarification!

[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah no I think I would just butcher the language trying to speak it.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Though, it’d be fun to have some French guy be like “how Vulgar!” And not be calling me rude.