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Charlie Jane Anders discusses KOSA (the Kids Online Safety Act).

If you're in the US, https://www.stopkosa.com/ makes it easy to contact your Senators and ask them to oppose KOSA.

"A new bill called the Kids Online Safety Act, or KOSA, is sailing towards passage in the Senate with bipartisa>n support. Among other things, this bill would give the attorney general of every state, including red states, the right to sue Internet platforms if they allow any content that is deemed harmful to minors. This clause is so vaguely defined that attorneys general can absolutely claim that queer content violates it — and they don't even need to win these lawsuits in order to prevail. They might not even need to file a lawsuit, in fact. The mere threat of an expensive, grueling legal battle will be enough to make almost every Internet platform begin to scrub anything related to queer people.

The right wing Heritage Foundation has already stated publicly that the GOP will use this provision to remove any discussions of trans or queer lives from the Internet. They're salivating over the prospect.

And yep, I did say this bill has bipartisan support. Many Democrats have already signed on as co-sponsors. And President Joe Biden has urged lawmakers to pass this bill in the strongest possible terms."

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[–] anon232@lemm.ee 82 points 1 year ago (51 children)

The internet is about to move to the rest of the world if this passes, no one will host a web server in the US after this.

[–] gsa4555@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (48 children)

The problem is where? The EU is trying to apply similar censorship via the DSA, Russia we all know is LGBTphobic and not truly for free speech, Canada is a joke, and China is lol. Not even sure if Japan is viable.

[–] NormalC@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (41 children)

What do you mean by China is lol?

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems pretty clear from context, China is an autocratic state well known to engage in censorship when it fits the party's desires.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And which governments don't engage in censorship when it fits their desires lol

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your whataboutism isn't really useful here, I'm just responding to the question about China. The point of his response was that there isn't really any place left to go. And even if your response was relevant it would be laughable, the censorship that the Chinese government perpetrates puts most other countries to shame.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whataboutism, checkmate tankie smuglord

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, you are a tankie. You sub to hexbear. China isn't an autocratic state hahaha okayyyyy surrrrre. Just a single party "democracy" right?

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Everything you said is facts, glad to see you're learning from us thanks to the federation

[–] flan@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

this is a thread about the US though? Who whatabouts the whatabouter?

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your reading comprehension is pretty low. My original comment was specifically in response to another individual questioning why the idea of hosting servers in China to escape censorship was "lol". That's it.

[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is his point,right? Like where else would you go to host if all governments engage in this BS

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The arguments presented are so terrible and devoid of any meaninful substance

The first one was "China lol"

Then the one I replied to in support of "China lol" said "autocratic state" which is absolutely false unless all of your knowledge about China's governance system comes from reading CNN headlines and skimming Reuters articles written by a dude with a bachelor's in journalism that doesn't speak Chinese

They also said "well known to" which implies it's a special case when every state exerts overwhelming control and censorship over the media that occurs within their country

[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't the CCP given explicit power and privilege in the Chinese government and isn't the CCP's officially headed by a permanent leader as it's "core"? I've been trying read about the political structure and it's hard to not argue that it seems very autocratic.

[–] robinn2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't the CCP given explicit power and privilege in the Chinese government

The CPC (not CCP) is the guiding force of the government, and adapts to the will of the people through the mass line/being comprised of 10% of eligible persons. The highest level of the CPC (after the various levels of party committees/congresses) is the SC of the Politburo of the Central Committee, which is comprised of members elected through all levels and with terms of five years, and the highest individual position is the General Secretary (also terms of five years), elected by the Central Committee. Provided the persons in these positions are fit to serve, there are no definite term limits (one can be elected for a term of five years indefinitely until they are too old to serve (age limit), wish not to in which case a subordinate would the replace them, or are voted out by the CC) although I fail to see how a term limit can be justified when it is merely an undemocratic method of preventing the election of someone regardless of their success/the will of the population.

[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what is the "core" position in relation to that? When is the next election for Xi Ping for that position?

[–] robinn2@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Xi Jinping was re-elected as GenSec in 2022 (third term), so the Central Committee would foreseeably be doing a new election in 2027 (for the SC of the Poliburo as well).

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And that has affected you outside China operating a server based there when?

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't understand, please rephrase your question.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What don't you understand about it? How has it ever affected you? Can you name a single time it has?

China does not care unless you live within its borders, and even there it only really cares when it is someone of influence, such as the rich capital owners or the celebrities.

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just didn't understand the way your question was worded because it was garbled. I don't have any reason to host a data server and I don't live in China, so you got me, I've never been personally impacted by Chinese government censorship and repression. Obviously that means it doesn't exist, QED.

But oh, as long as I make sure not to upset anyone rich or in power I would be fine, don't worry. Do you ever read what you type?

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just didn't understand the way your question was worded because it was garbled. I don't have any reason to host a data server and I don't live in China, so you got me, I've never been personally impacted by Chinese government censorship and repression. Obviously that means it doesn't exist, QED.

“The Chinese government has never done anything that has negatively impacted me or anyone I know, I have never known a Chinese person I disliked, yet I passionately despise China. I am extremely different from Republicans who have never set foot inside an American city yet are terrified of doing so. It’s you tankies who are propagandized, not me!!!!”

[–] madnerds@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Strawman city over here. I do not despise China or the Chinese people. I have actually visited China and loved my time there, the people I met, and the food I ate. I think it is a beautiful country with wonderful people and a rich history. I can also recognize that their autocratic ruling party represses and censors their citizens, and I don't think that is a good thing. I wish the best for China and truly hope that some day, all their citizens will be able to express themselves freely.

[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Dude i recomend you to let this one go. Those guys are from hexbear and looks to me that they are raiding this thread for some reason. Theres no way their tankie takes would get this most upvotes normaly, they are usually bashed outside of this thread but the up to downvote ratio is suspisous af. And besides their takes shouldnt be taken seriously. One of this clowns where claiming that china defends trans people and are actively making life better for them... fucking china, the ccp, really now? Ive seen that there are some centers for lgbtq+ studies, and while the name of Jing Xing sounds like dislexic joke for Xi jing, shes actually real and trans and very popular on chinese tv, but there are no laws that explicitly protect them and its reported that they still sufer a lot of harasment from the general population and the ccp isnt really looking into fixing this anythime soon if ever. But other than that just let this one go, its not worth it.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can also recognize that their autocratic ruling party represses and censors their citizens, and I don't think that is a good thing. I wish the best for China and truly hope that some day, all their citizens will be able to express themselves freely.

The USA imprisons more people per capita than China. There are also limits to free speech in the USA, as evidenced by the bourgeois regime’s brutal crackdown on the George Floyd protests among countless other examples. Which society is more free exactly?

[–] Drug_Shareni@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend, read the thread. You're getting triggered over someone laughing at the idea of westerners hosting web content in China to escape censorship.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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