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[–] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say there is no language of nature; there are things that happen, and we can approximate what happens using math. Math can be used to describe basically anything, so the fact that we can understand these things through numbers is not extraordinary.

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would say all language are natural. Even mathematics.

[–] Buttermilk@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I guess I don't know what you mean by that. My point was that nature doesn't speak in any language. There are things that happen do to processes and conditions, we can describe those processes and conditions, we can use them to predict future conditions with math. But the base reality is that things simply exist.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Esperanto, Volapük and Elvish beg to differ 😛

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Art and humour are inevitable consequences of sentient animals having the capability to create them.

I think of it like squares and rectangles. Everything created by humans is natural, but only a fraction of natural things are created by humans.

There is a natural progression from some particles colliding at the beginning of the universe all the way to low effort memes being posted on Lemmy.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're operating with a RIDICULOUSLY overbroad definition of "natural" that includes pretty much everything artificial 🤦

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it not natural for humans to create artificial tools?

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The action may come naturally, but the tools are by definition man-made and thus artificial.

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Man-made and artificial things are natural.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're a troll or you genuinely don't know how language works, what words mean 🤦

[–] sauerkraus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

My bad. I didn’t know philosophy was unwelcome here.