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I'm sorry, I don't understand how what you just said is connected to anything I had said.
They're far right extremists that are openly antagonistic to everyone else even they're own larger religion.
And a huge issue with them inserting themselves into law enforcement, is they act as a filter for what is reported to actual law enforcement:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)#Police_relations_and_controversy
Do you understand what that means?
These are far right Orthodox, they follow the Torah...
They can't turn in a Jewish person to the police, they can only report to police when the criminal isn't Jewish, and they only respond to crimes when the victim is their specific far right flavor of Judaism.
Did you know any of this?
If not...
I dunno, it would just be incredibly shocking for somewhere to be aware of all the issues with Shomrim but still act like it's a solution and not a problem
Whats going on here?
Quick edit:
As a matter of fact, since they are obligated by what they believe to be orders from their God to not turn a Jewish person in, a simple explanation could be the person who threw the glass was Jewish.
They couldn't turn him in. But would still have to explain the injuries.
Which again, is why I'm having difficulty understanding you defending them.
Say a you g girl is sexually abused. She calls the Shomim because that's what her family does. If her abuser is Jewish...
It ends there and nothing is done. Unless you're now about to suggest theyre also vigilantes and would enforce their own punishment. Which would be surprising, but I guess we'll see how much you'll defend.
It seems much stranger to me that you're so familiar with the Orthodox Jewish community, and yet you don't know how easily identifiable an Orthodox person is by their distinctive clothing. You're working very hard to prove that an attack against a Jew was not antisemitic.
For the men yes...
For teen girls? I honestly have no idea.
That's why waaaaaay up in my first comment. I even asked about it....
But I'd love to get back on topic:
Did you know about that before just now?
And do you understand this means they do things like let child molestors run rampant when their targets are from families who use the Shormim, and who's school also does?
For a child in that community cut off from the police by the Shormim, they can't reach anyone for help without escaping like from a cult.
Literally the only criminals they try to turn in, are anyone not of their religion.
Anyone of their religion they literally (by their logic) can not hold them accountable in any way.
I truly value your opinion and am trying to understand why someone would support this.
Because honestly?
You think trump ain't thinking of making a Christian version?
The best way to stop that. Is find out how the original is working on people, how someone can be convinced to support such a terrible and evil system
So please, I'm asking honestly:
How can you view the Shormim as a positive for anyone except Orthodox Jewish criminals?
No, I'm not going to let you keep trying to pivot. You saw a story about a young Jewish girl in the hospital for following an apparent antisemitic attack.
Your immediate reaction was not, "that's awful, I hope they catch the guy who did this. By the way, folks should know that the people who helped her are part of a problematic organization."
Instead, your first reaction was to immediately begin developing various theories about how what happened isn't really what happened.
They werere not really visibly Jewish.
It wasn't really an attack.
The distance was too far.
It happened too quickly.
It was an accident.
To owner of the newspaper is not reliable.
The owner of the ambulance is not reliable.
The eyewitness is not reliable.
Mind you, these are all pure speculations. There is no evidence you've provided that any one of these should affect the veracity of this particular story. There is no counter-witness statement saying they saw something else. You don't have measurements of the balcony. When a Jewish person is hurt and your first reaction is to concoct half a dozen different theories about why they are not really a victim you should probably examine that.
100% ok, and all you had to say.