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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If he gets caught, yes. I want to believe in the process of our law. And part of our laws support jury nullification. Now whether or not i would personally vote to convict/nullify is something I've been reflecting on and I'm not sure how i would vote. I do believe murder is wrong, but im also interested to know the actual data behind how many people died because claims were denied by united health group. We have two murderers, one who blatantly broke the law and one who did it within the law to make 22 billion in profit in 2023. How many people died to make that profit? And do those deaths make murder right? Idk.

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I just watched a felon with outstanding felony cases get elected president. I don't so much believe in the process of our law.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago

Entirely fair 😅

I want to believe in the process of our law but you're right; between that and the blatant corruption within the Supreme Court and other elected offices....

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Absolutely the people should be able to elect a felon. This is how the law should absolutely work. Imagine how bad it would be if they could just remove political rivals by getting the justice department to catch them in some bs felony, or even frame them for something. The real travesty is that we allow the state to remove the right to vote for a felony conviction.

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine how bad it would be if they could just remove political rivals by getting the justice department to catch them in some bs felony

At least you understand the ramifications of a second Trump administration

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Sure, absolutely. Which is part of the reason I think it's bad to give the justice department this kind of power.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

By those ideals, prisoners should also have the right to vote.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 1 week ago

Yes they should.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

100%

If there are enough prisoners that they would create a large enough voting bloc that they could get someone elected, then that means there is something fucked up with the legal system. If there aren't that many, then what's the big deal allowing them to vote?

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Some will bring up the "slippery slope" as a reason for us to treat this guy within the legal system as we would any other killer. I would respond to this people that we're already barrelling headlong down a greasy slope and have been for a long time now.

Far from endangering is further, maybe this guy has shown us an offramp.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That data would be inadmissible in the murder trial. Lethal force is only privileged in response to an imminent lethal threat that the privileged act is the only way to avoid. The shooter's life was not in immediate danger and killing the CEO isn't likely to change the policies. You'd have to make your decision in the jury box without it.

I agree if caught he should be prosecuted. I'd be real conflicted about it but I could convict. He either did it or didn't.

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

One insurance company already reversed policies on anesthesia cap.

We really need some accountability from these insurance companies that wield so much power over the well-being of Americans.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not because of this.

I agree. Accountability should be through civil liability. But they have the lobbyists.