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It's all made from our data, anyway, so it should be ours to use as we want

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

They won't need to, they will get it from Getty. All these websites have a ToS that make it very clear they can do whatever they want with what you upload. The courts will simply never side with the small time photographer who makes 50$ a month with his stock photos hosted on someone else's website. The laws will be in favor of databrokers and the handful of big AI companies.

Anyone self hosting will simply not get a call. Journalists will keep the same salary while the newspaper's owner gets a fat bonus. Even Reddit already sold it's data for 60 million and none of that went anywhere but spezs coke fund.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Two things:

  1. Getty is not expressly licensed as "free to use", and by default is not licensed for commercial anything. That's how they are a business that is still alive.

  2. You're talking about Generative AI junk and not LLMs which this discussion and the original post is about. They are not the same thing.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Reddit and newspapers selling their data preemptively has to do with LLMs. Can you clarify what scenario you are aiming for? It sounds like you want the courts to rule that AI companies need to ask each individual redditor if they can use his comments for training. I don't see this happening personally.

Getty gives itself the right to license all photos uploaded and already trained a generative model on those btw.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

EULA and TOS agreements stop Reddit and similar sites from being sued. They changed them before they were selling the data and barely gave notice about it (see the exodus from reddit pt2), but if you keep using the service, you agree to both, and they can get away with it because they own the platform.

Anyone who has their content on a platform of the like that got the rug pulled out from under them with silent amendments being made to allow that is unfortunately fucked.

Any other platforms that didn't explicitly state this was happening is not in scope to just allow these training tools to grab and train. What we know is that OpenAI at the very least was training on public sites that didn't explicitly allow this. Personal blogs, Wikipedia...etc.