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[–] PizzaMan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apology accepted. In case you're curious to learn about it, you might click here. It's a good topic for online classes, in case you ever find yourself with spare time.

Thank you, I'll try to take a look at some point.

Did they skip all the parts about mammon, or did you just ignore them? They're fairly central to Jesus's ministry.

No matter what I answer here, it will just feed into this no true scottsman fallacy you have with the definition of "christian".

It does, in fact.

It seems that you are beginning with the premise that it is true. Again, that would ultimately mean that much of what you say is based on a circular argument.

I'd do my best to read it and wrap my head around the point you were trying to make.

I'm not talking about understanding though. I'm talking about the value you derive from something you read. I don't get any value out of bible verses. It's just junk to me even if I understand it.

So I find it discouraging and disheartening to know you haven't been reading them, and seriously considering them.

I've definitely been reading them. But it's next to impossible for me to take them seriously when the whole think is so wrong.

[–] 10A@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No matter what I answer here, it will just feed into this no true scottsman fallacy you have with the definition of "christian".

I don't have that fallacy in my definition of "Christian" at all. A Christian is a genuine follower of Christ, of which there are many, and many more every day. The fact that some people claim to be Christian without actually following Christ does not mean there's no true Christian. It's entirely possible for you to choose to become Christian.

I don't get any value out of bible verses. It's just junk to me even if I understand it.

The only value we can have in life comes from God. When someone gives you a Bible verse, that is likely the most valuable thing you receive all day, if not all year.

And on that point, we have reached an impasse. I must abide by 2 Timothy 3:2-5, and turn away:

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Thank you for all of this thought-provoking conversation. I wish you all of the best, and I pray you may yet find God.

[–] PizzaMan@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

The fact that some people claim to be Christian without actually following Christ does not mean there's no true Christian. It's entirely possible for you to choose to become Christian.

That's not what a no true scotsman fallacy means. It's a fallacious way to deflect people from being a part of a group. It is not a statement that no such group exists.

The only value we can have in life comes from God. When someone gives you a Bible verse, that is likely the most valuable thing you receive all day, if not all year.

Then it's quite odd how I have value in my life despite it being secular. It's almost like there are many sources of value in life beyond religion.

Thank you for all of this thought-provoking conversation

You are welcome. And thank you for keeping this as civil as it has been.

I pray you may yet find God

Like I said, you're not the first so I wouldn't bet on that.