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Obviously there are the climate change denialists who think “global elites” have paid actors setting forest fires around the globe, but there are also reputable people saying this. When I hear arson, I hear a person starting a fire with malicious intent. Are there really massive numbers of malicious firestarters around the globe, or does arson also cover things like recklessness/carelessness, like if I burn trash in my backyard or start a campfire on the woods and it gets out of control?

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[–] Lawn_and_disorder@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Trying to deflect but there are organized arsons going around, like in spain to get grazing for cattle https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/wildfires-ravage-spains-asturias-temperatures-hit-record-highs-2023-03-30/

The rebuttal is that even if its arson the effect is worse. People have been starting fires for cultivation and grazing for ages. Problem is that today the fires dont die out

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See I think this is what I mean. Like in the past the word “arson” has meant, to me, for example someone burning down another person’s house intentionally and maliciously. And I think a lot of people have the same understanding. And so I think a lot people hear the word arson linked to wildfire, and they picture people going out to the woods with the malicious intention to start large forest fires. And so it’s easier to accept the right-wing conspiracy of soros-funded arsonists intentionally starting fires to then blame on climate change.

The way you frame it makes it seem more like it’s farmers who, while the burning is illegal, are engaging in a generations old practice with no intention to start a huge forest fire. At least in Spain’s case. Which I think is a completely different situation than what most people (or at least us Americans) picture when they hear arson.

[–] Lawn_and_disorder@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well there are cattle owning Spanish and then there are the rest 😃, (well there are quite a few with a few cows that would never think of the idea of starting a fire for sure). But its not like sustainance farming projects. They are fascist assholes and even the government used the word terrorism in describing it. Most of spanish people would gladly see some of them cuaght in the flames.

Basically if you do it you just said I don't give a fuck as long as my cows can graze...