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[Cars] Norway on track to be first to go all-electric (www.bbc.com)

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"Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country."

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then don’t heat up the battery, and see if it runs. Won’t work, because EV’s have to heat up the battery to get it working, because they don’t function in extreme cold.

WTF is wrong with your logic process? Why would you remove a key component of the car? Lets take the starter out of ICE vehicles. Oh hey, they don't function in any temperature at all!

The point is clear that ICE vehicles work just fine if properly engineered for cold climates.

And while we’re at it, what’s the workaround for the batteries catching fire and exploding in the extreme heat of summer? We need to implement some cooling pumps while we’re at it?

Would you like to bring sources to this discussion? Here's mine.

1529.9 fires per 100k for ICE vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for EVs.

Oh, were you just pointing to 1-in-a-million incidents as reasons to shelve an entire technology. Tsk.

abundant & clean hydrogen.

There's nothing abundant and clean about them in the current car ecosystem. I'll grant there's a possibility of that, but that doesn't mean much when the competition has already delivered.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When did I claim they’d work without a starter? You claimed the EV’s work in extreme cold… by heating them up. So they don’t work in extreme cold, which is exactly why they must be heated up.

We’re not talking about global averages of EV batteries catching fire. We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat. Since we’re in the middle of climate collapse, and greenhouse gases are continuing to accumulate, more and more areas will be experiencing extreme heat.

I’m not saying there’s no place for EV’s in cleaning up our planet. But demanding we commit to only EV’s, and just ignore the areas of the planet they can’t perform in, is absolutely asinine. Especially when we have the hydrogen tech ready to roll out.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

You're being ridiculously (and inaccurately) facetious. EVs refer to the entire car, not the battery alone. If anybody had claimed the batteries work just fine at cold temps (which nobody did), that'd be a different matter. EVs designed for cold climate work just fine in those climates.

We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat

To begin with, that was not part of my original discussion, and I have little knowledge on that issue. However, since we're on that, can you show some sources that there's a significantly increased fire risk in summer, and how that compares to ICE vehicles? Based on the info I linked, they'd have to increase by several orders of magnitude to be doing worse than ICE vehicles.

But demanding we commit to only EV’s

Who demanded that? This conversation started when you claimed that EVs couldn't work in cold climates, and that's the only thing I'm really taking dispute with.