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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The Soviet Union. Or more accuratley, RUSSIA was one of the two aggressors that Started the second world war.

Furthermore, they were not an ally, but a co-belligerent. Why else did the free world go from a period of direct confrontation and war in the 20s, to Cold war in the 30s. to temporary truce for 4 years from 1941 to 1945. right back to Cold war with Moscow from 1945 till 1991? (and then another temporary truce from 1991 until about 2008) right back to more or less being de facto at war with each other again since 2014

And you can't pin tens of millions of your own people, with Purges, Pogroms, Mentally handicapped suicidal orders. And general paranoid hysterical incompetnece. and blame those on the germans.

especially when large percentages of those people were colonized nations that wanted nothing to do with the Bolshevik Russian Imperial rule (Belarusians, Ukrainians, Poles, Balts etc and were just used like buffers and meat shields)

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

to temporary truce for 4 years from 1941 to 1945.

Do nations typically put aside differences to make temporary truces with co-belligerents of the nations they're at war with?

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I dont know. you tell me. Outside of the thunderdome in the middle east. whens the last time there was a major conflict with dozens of nations and more than two major ideoligies at play.

If you're asking in good faith. World War II's situation was largely unprecedented.
Unlike WWI Where Imperial Russia and France were allied. Soviet Russia was not allied with France, Britain, or western Europe.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The point is that the US put aside ideological differences because the USSR was fighting against the Nazis, they were not "co-belligerents."

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

for four years. a temporary matter. they went right back to being in a hostile competition for spheres of influence a few weeks or months after V-E day however.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

Well, that's twice as long as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact lasted before the Nazis and Communists went right back to killing each other, not just in a "hostile competition" but in a large scale, total war that left tens of millions of people dead.