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[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 37 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ I don't think I've ever seen a posts comments so full of reasons this won't work.

You guys don't even need your media to dissuade you, you just convince each other not to do anything.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I wonder why a bunch of people might be jumping onto social media, spreading pessimism and suspicion about protests and discouraging people from attending.

Edit: I asked every single person who said that their protest-aware friends told them this was a "false flag" or something, what protest their friends would recommend attending instead. I'm curious to see what the responses are.

Edit: One of the accounts which is expressing well-intentioned nail-biting concern that something really bad might happen to the people who go to these protests, and urging people to stay safe if they do decide to go... is the same account that has been telling me about how Ukraine is the bad guys, and the Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans, and other interesting things.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I expect you'll he hearing a lot of crickets.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 2 hours ago

Some of them are downvoting me for asking them the question.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The Women's March on January 21, 2017 was one of the biggest protests in US History. It did jack all. The US gov't has been taken over by anti-Consititutional, anti-American, anti-law Republicans at all 3 branches. Going to a protest has about the same impact as typing outrage on Lemmy. It's not pessimism, it's reality. Until masses are seriously prepared to get violent, we are fucked. Personally I'm just getting the fuck out and watch it implode into Gilead.

[–] gift_of_gab@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The Women’s March on January 21, 2017 was one of the biggest protests in US History.

I didn't say protest, I said strike. They are not the same thing. Protests require Centrists and 'moderates' to care enough to join them. Strikes are meant to directly impact Capitalism. Going to marches every night for a week doesn't hurt business owners, but a week of strikes loses them money in a big way. With sympathy strikes you can get the capitalists fighting each other. With a General Strike all of the lines-go-downward and they'll freak out.

Until masses are seriously prepared to get violent, we are fucked.

Guess which step precedes that?

Get the fuck out in the streets, prevent cars from getting places, block entrances, cause consumers to avoid places, then they'll start paying attention.

God it's so fucking frustrating watching your older brother whining there's nothing they can do when there are provable things they've done in the fucking past that have worked.

Look at the Pullman Strike. Seventy people were killed by cops/military, the strikers still won and it was a massive, historical win for American labour laws.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

I didn’t say protest, I said strike.

Well, you didn't, and the post is about a protest. But your point is a good one.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting how you skipped over the BLM protests, which were literally 100 times larger than the Women's March, and resulted in significant changes to the exact thing they were protesting, which had previously been a basically unchangeable fact of American government and society.

There's also Euromaidan, which toppled a corrupt government, with about 4 times the attendance of the Women's March.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't realize police stopped shooting black people. Also, the media's fucked up coverage on the BLM protests had a big impact on ignorant troglodytes supporting fuckhead trump this time around.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The police have been shooting about 1,000 people per year, of which a plurality have been white. Same as every year before, during, and after BLM.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

(I would take that graph with a grain of salt BTW. The underlying data sources are pretty incomplete. I highly suspect that the sudden steady increase starting in 2020 is due to better data gathering by the FBI, after years and years of pretty much the same incomplete picture being shown every year.)

In any case, the question is, how many of those shootings were justified? That there is no way to know simply from the data. I know that in 2020, there were enough shootings that were so totally disgustingly unjustified that it caused a mini-civil-war which engulfed the country and in which several people died, and I can think of one time since then that it happened (Tyre Nichols), and as far as I know the officers involved are not doing well in court, and the unit they were part of was disbanded almost immediately. There was absolutely none of this "oh well these things happen" reaction like for Breonna Taylor.

I would call that a positive change. Wouldn't you? Or no? There have been various "reforms" of varying degrees of intensity and staying power, but to me the larger issue has been the change in the culture of policing. Something changed between 2020 and the years that came after that caused the change in the number of highly-publicized killings. Right? Or no?

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 minutes ago

That's a long way to say not much has changed. BLM may have improved things, or maybe just the reporting changed. Or maybe something else. I don't know. There are so many foundational level problems in this country, and I hear nobody talking about them. Social sicknesses that lead to so many symptoms, including, but certainly not limited to, both police violence and magat voters. I've been voting for progressives in primaries, walking precincts, engaging with conservatives (back when they existed) for several decades now, and I've just watched shit get worse and worse. My time is over, I'm leaving my gloves in the ring, and turning into a full-time spectator now. Good luck.