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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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So, I saw a report from one of my users. They reported:

https://ponder.cat/post/1594852/1813842

For the reason:

Unreasonable fighting with everyone in every simple post

I think that's ridiculous, so I talked with them about it. Posting private communications is frowned upon I guess, but long story short, they weren't receptive. I've decided to ban the account.

IMO the general culture on Lemmy is that users are entitled to their free account and everyone needs to be careful and circumspect about limiting that entitlement in any way, but I don't see it that way. I don't think it's a requirement for me to provide hosting space for anyone who wants to use my stuff as a jumping-off point for abuse of Lemmy's systems, and isn't apologetic or receptive when I talk with them about not doing that. The fact that it's in service of harassing FlyingSquid in particular is just icing on the cake, since my perception is that people like to harass him apparently for no legitimate reason at all (with this as an example).

AITA?

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Finally got banned from lemm.ee, did you?

@imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com @mrmanager@lemmy.today @vtctechadmin@vegantheoryclub.org @SDF@lemmy.sdf.org This dude is evading my attempts to block him, via an endless series of new accounts he makes on new instances. Please consider this a report for block evasion and harassment, as applied to his UniversalMonk account on your instance (all of those being instances on which he's previously made some new account and then had an interaction which caused me to block that account and ask him to stop contacting me.)

(Not that you losing an account on any given instance is really that big an obstacle of course. Like I said, it's a flaw in how Lemmy is set up, from the perspective of moderation, and actually exactly why I don't give a ton of leeway to new accounts that show strong signs of being up to some kind of malicious behavior.)

Edit: Since it kind of got lost in the forest of replies below: Yes, I have proof of them deliberately evading blocks, by trying to talk to me on blocked accounts, then switching accounts to non-blocked accounts and then posting "random" comments as the first actions from the non-blocked accounts: https://ponder.cat/post/1596872/1838056

They've also participated via voting in communities they were banned from. It was only a few times, so it could have been an accident. But also, they've making dozens of new alts because the old ones keep getting banned and they want to keep doing the same stuff that got them banned, so it's a little disingenuous to claim there's no possible way they could keep up with all the blocks and bans that have been applied to them, because it's so complicated at this point, so it doesn't count.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As that user said, they're not deliberately attempting to block evade. Just a side effect of making a new account

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's actually not true. People overuse the word "gaslighting," but this is actually a perfect example of the original meaning of the term.

This is the second time recently he's "accidentally" posted on something I wrote, and both times, he switched away from one of his commonly-used alts, to a different one that I didn't have blocked, right before posting. I can, if you want me to, send you the output of this from my system:

Huge SQL query

WITH target_people AS (
  SELECT id, actor_id
  FROM person
  WHERE name LIKE '%UniversalMonk%'
)
SELECT 
  action_time as timestamp,
  actor_id,
  item_id,
  score,
  creator_actor_id,
  CASE 
    WHEN score IS NULL AND content IS NOT NULL THEN 
      CASE 
        WHEN length(content) > 20 THEN substr(content, 1, 20) || '...'
        ELSE content
      END
    ELSE NULL
  END as content
FROM (
  -- Comments
  SELECT 
    c.published as action_time,
    p.actor_id,
    c.id as item_id,
    NULL::smallint as score,
    creator.actor_id as creator_actor_id,
    c.content
  FROM comment c
  JOIN target_people p ON c.creator_id = p.id
  LEFT JOIN person creator ON c.creator_id = creator.id
  WHERE NOT c.deleted AND NOT c.removed

  UNION ALL

  -- Posts
  SELECT 
    p.published as action_time,
    person.actor_id,
    p.id as item_id,
    NULL::smallint as score,
    NULL as creator_actor_id,
    NULL as content
  FROM post p
  JOIN target_people person ON p.creator_id = person.id
  WHERE NOT p.deleted AND NOT p.removed

  UNION ALL

  -- Comment votes
  SELECT 
    cl.published as action_time,
    p.actor_id,
    cl.comment_id as item_id,
    cl.score,
    creator.actor_id as creator_actor_id,
    c.content
  FROM comment_like cl
  JOIN target_people p ON cl.person_id = p.id
  LEFT JOIN comment c ON cl.comment_id = c.id
  LEFT JOIN person creator ON c.creator_id = creator.id
  WHERE NOT c.deleted AND NOT c.removed
) combined_actions
ORDER BY action_time DESC;

 

So what it shows this time, is UniversalMonk using his sh.itjust.works account and lemmy.dbzer0.com account and nothing else for a few days, including most recently at Feb 12 at 23:27, and then at 23:36, switching to his r.nf account, which I haven't blocked and which he doesn't use much, and the first thing he did with it was comment on a post of mine.

The previous time was actually even a little more egregious. He was using his other accounts (including his lemm.ee one, before that one was banned), then at Feb 4 at 21:04 I made a comment in some thread mentioning the existence of a new alt of his, and he switched from other actions on his mainly-used accounts (most recently at 21:38) and then at 21:39 from his vegantheoryclub.org account, his first action on that account was to post this:

https://vegantheoryclub.org/comment/1670126

Then, when I semi-politely told him that he was evading the block (since it was pretty obvious to me that something along the lines of the above had happened, although I didn't verify it at the time) and asked him not to, he played the exact same game of pretending he had just innocently stumbled across a post of mine and wanted to say something about it, and it was totally unreasonable for me to ask him not to.

There's a reason he switches to an account I haven't blocked right before leaving these comments. And yes, I know it sounds semi-psychotic that I went digging around in the database to verify that he is gaslighting you when he feigns total shock and surprise that he had left a comment under a post by me, pretending it was total coincidence. This is why he keeps getting banned on different instances: His behavior is really very strange, dishonest, and malicious in a kind of unique way.

Anyway, yes he was block evading on purpose to minorly irritate me. I'm happy to DM you proof excerpts or similar. I know it sounds kind of petty for me to go to this extent, but the other way to look at it is, this is the extent that someone has to go to if they want to not be communicated at by UnviersalMonk. He has a history of targeted harassment of users in the past (which is what got him banned from lemmy.world), and for me he seems to have chosen this kind of "gaslighting and hoping I'll complain about it, so he can feign innocence and write a big italicized innocent message" approach.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago
[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've seen them posting in communities and instances they have previously been banned from. If they made an attempt to avoid it that would be one thing but they don't.

I'm almost certain they are ban evading with their alts.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 1 week ago

I posted some timestamps of them switching to an alt I don't have blocked, specifically so they can comment on my posts and I will see it. Happy to send the logs in question if anyone wants to see without digging through their own database.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you have, then DM admins directly about that. They probably mod those communities as well, so reports never reach the admins

[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So Blaze, I'm a little disappointed in you. We have never agreed on anything, but you have always been a straight shooter.

I actually sent you a DM a day to two before this thread was even started, mentioning that I was noticing fake accounts with my name.

That was BEFORE this thread started. Not that I'm asking you to speak up for me or anything, but it's curious how you just sorta let this "ban evasion" conversation going on, while knowing that you had been alerted to the fake UniMonks by me.

And you seem fine to let the conversation carry about people's disbelief in fake accounts under my name. I have seen Universal Monk, Multiversal Monk, and RealUniversal Monk names.

I told you before this conversation ever started that there were fake accounts with my name. Can I ask why you stayed silent on that?

We're not friends. I get it. But you are usually impartial in your conversations.

And I just found another fake UniversalMonk posting to lemm.ee, which I have been banned from. And I just reported to the mod of c/conservative and the admin @EllaSpiggins@lemm.ee to report. :)

Hmmm, and the user created that name just recently. Around the time this thread was started. Wow, what a strange coincidence. A heated debate of my ban evading.

So I post proof that I don’t post in communities that I have been banned from. Then magically there are accounts with my name suddenly posting in communities I have been banned from. Even tho that wasn’t happening before this thread.

I messaged the mod, Ella and alerted her to the user and the post:

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[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I’ve seen them posting in communities and instances they have previously been banned from.

Name one. Provide examples. Lots of admins talk to each other. So let's see some proof of what you have seen.

The vast, vast majority of my posting is to my own communities. But I'm totally fine with you showing some screen shots of where you have seen me posting to places I am banned from with--time stamps to show that they were posted AFTER any ban. PhiliptheBucket seems to have every timestamp of everything I am posting and even he is not accusing me of what you just have.

So give me an example of where you have seen me posting to a banned instance and/or community AFTER I was banned.

I’m almost certain they are ban evading with their alts.

But you just said you've seen me posting in communities and on instances I've been banned from. Now you are saying "almost certain."

So which is it? Did you see me like you said above or are you "almost certain?"

And if you are so sure of it it, did you report those to the admin? And do you have examples? Let's have a look.

I keep the same fucking username. So it would be pretty hard for me to post in communities that I'm banned from. Seems like the mods could spot it right away.

If wanted to ban evade, wouldn't it be easier to just come up with a random name and then post wherever I wanted?

And again, guys. I am NOT the subject of OP's original post. This is all off-topic. This thread is not about me. Let it go!

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You were caught here in the act posting to communities on an instance you were banned from.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Woah glad you caught that, just gave a ping to sopuli.xyz's admins on the page hopefully they'll respond soon and deal with that.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

He has a few other alts as well, but it's not exactly my day job to keep detailed notes. However, I am sick of his shit and that dude is a fucking cockroach.

TBH, I don't think it's really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world. However, this is being done with malice and should be addressed. UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Honestly, I think the issue is that it really is a job, and there isn't anyone who's really well-positioned to take charge of it.

Any system which allows easy, anonymous account creation is going to be subject to some level of abuse. Any system which does that, and also is distributed among multiple instances with admins who don't always see eye-to-eye on things, is going to be absolutely helpless in the face of even a very rudimentary attempt at abuse, and anyone who wants to will be able to run rings around the admins and just kind of run around doing whatever they want. Telling people "just block the obnoxious people on whatever new accounts they make when they get banned" obviously isn't the answer, but it's what people fall back on because it is the only thing that can be relied upon to work.

I think Bluesky's idea of federating out block lists (basically, as I understand it) is probably the most straightforward non-awful way. You don't want to make every new user encounter every obnoxious person and learn, one by one, who they are and that they need to block them. That way lies madness.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Shared block lists could be implemented into the clients as well, but it would take a bit to keep those from getting abused and wouldn't scale over time too well.

But yeah, this is a major issue with Lemmy and is probably the major reason I don't think this platform can scale up to Reddit size. Once trolls take over, everyone will leave.

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[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TBH, I don’t think it’s really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world. However, this is being done with malice and should be addressed. UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

Yeah I agree, having multiple accounts with the same username is okay when your intention isn't to cause malice. When one is doing it to impersonate/namesquat or just to troll and ban evade then it's a problem. It's part of why I have as many as I do. It makes it extremely difficult for people to impersonate me, except on the handful of excommunicated instances I never signed up to but those will be very clearly recognized as impersonation.

[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree, having multiple accounts with the same username is okay when your intention isn’t to cause malice.

Ok, then why bring all the stuff up? And I'm not even the subject of this thread.

When one is doing it to impersonate/namesquat or just to troll and ban evade then it’s a problem.

Which I have never done.

It’s part of why I have as many as I do.

So you are jumping on this bandwagon attacking me, and you have multiple freakin usernames on multiple instances? Say wat bro?! You were just pointing out how terrible i was for being multiple instances!

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I frankly don't believe you and I don't think you believe that yourself. You've been caught in the act both for impersonation and ban evasion. You are not innocent here and if you were you should've appealed instead of making more accounts.

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[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

He has a few other alts as well, but it’s not exactly my day job to keep detailed notes.

As in alt names or instances? Because i have no alt names. If you don't have proof, then don't falsely accuse.

Please show us the proof.

TBH, I don’t think it’s really against any rules to dup a username across instances as SMCF is actually on .world.

Then why bring it up?

However, this is being done with malice

You have no proof of this. Please show posts where I have malice.

UM must have been holding a grudge from when he was banned from .world.

No, YOU have been holding a grudge from that. Let it go. It was before the election. I didn't vote for Harris. And she lost. But her loss wasn't my fault. Get over it.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I told you to quit mumbling. I can't hear a word you are saying.

[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I told you to quit mumbling. I can’t hear a word you are saying.

I've reported you for false accusations. Funny how everytime I have a counterpoint, you ask me to quit mumbling. I've made myself quike clear.

Unless you have proof, don't accuse.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We don't owe trolls shit.

(But it's a simple username lookup, btw.)

[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We don’t owe trolls shit.

Then don't bring up accusations you can't back up. Especially in a sub what is all about showing proof of accusations.

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[–] UniversalMonk@r.nf -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Also caught cloning other users

Wasn't "caught" doing anything. I haven't cloned other users. Do you have proof of this?

I use my own name across several instances. I haven't cloned or copied anyone.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (18 children)

You are notorious for ban evasion. The fact that you’re here casting aspersions on others for doing what you do clearly indicates the fact that you’re a troll.

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (8 children)

What in the actual fuck are you talking about? The user is deliberately block evading. Its so bad, I am going to start publishing a daily UM blocklist for people.

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