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The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant (utcc.utoronto.ca)
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I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And currently my laptop is using X11 because Nvidia GPU

All notebook released in the last several years with an NVidia dGPU also have an AMD or Intel iGPU.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure and X11 actually works with it's GPU while Wayland causes more issues than its worth. I'm not gonna use software that locks off my GPU especially if that software has no advantages for me.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wayland causes more issues than its worth. I’m not gonna use software that locks off my GPU

Sure, shift the blame of NVidia's shitty Linux and Wayland support to Wayland. How on earth could a multi-billion dollar company ever manage to make proper drivers only 11 years after Wayland 1.0 has been released...? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! WAYLAND BAD!

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never said that. It's probably going to be better at some point but for the average user X11 is still a better option.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for the average user X11 is still a better option

The average user has Intel/AMD iGPUs and uses whatever is default which in fact is Wayland in case of Gnome and Steam Deck Game Mode.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, steam deck is X11, just checked mine.

Yea, most people use the default, like I use Wayland on my desktop which is almost exclusively used for games so 99.9% of applications launch through xwayland. I'm saying Wayland doesn't have advantages over X11 for the average user and for anyone with an Nvidia GPU it is an active hindrance.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nope, steam deck is X11, just checked mine.

Then you checked wrong and don't understand the difference between Game Mode and Desktop Mode.

for anyone with an Nvidia GPU it is an active hindrance.

You bought an expensive product with incomplete drivers. The hindrance is NVidia.