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In one of the AI lawsuits faced by Meta, the company stands accused of distributing pirated books. The authors who filed the class-action lawsuit allege that Meta shared books from the shadow library LibGen with third parties via BitTorrent. Meta, however, says that it took precautions to prevent 'seeding' content. In addition, the company clarifies that there is nothing 'independently illegal' about torrenting.

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago (25 children)

downvotes are because you are saying provably factually incorrect things.

[–] Rivalarrival -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

Yeah? Then do it. Show me a law relevant to this case that makes downloading an infringement.

You will be able to cite plenty of unenforceable propaganda, sure. The RIAA, MPAA, and various other trolls have broadly misrepresented the topic. You'll even find this sort of FUD repeated by certain officials and government agencies.

But you will not any actual law relevant to this case. You will not find any judicial precedent where someone has been found to have violated copyright law solely for requesting and receiving copyrighted material.

Copyright law does not provide an enforcement mechanism against a recipient, even when that recipient knowingly requests an infringing copy. The only available mechanisms are against the entity creating the copy, and the entity distributing the copy.

You can prove me wrong by citing US Code, Federal regulation, or judicial precedent. I will not accept corporate propaganda, nor statements made by government entities unless those statements actually carry the force of law.

The closest you will be able to come is a theory that the "receiver" is somehow conspiring or colluding with the "sender", and the law and precedent on conspiracy/collusion doesn't quite fit. (Private trackers are getting close to that line, though...)

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

when downloading something, you are making a copy. That copy is unauthorized. It's illegal. The distributor didn't give it to you, they still have their copy. And you just reproduced it again.

[–] Rivalarrival 0 points 1 day ago

when downloading something, you are making a copy.

No, you are not. The uploader is the only entity capable of making the copy. You can't make a copy of something you do not possess.

When I send you a file, two copies come to exist. The copy on my computer, and the copy I created and sent to you. I made the copy, and I distributed it. You simply received it.

The copy you received is, indeed, unauthorized, but the infringing party is me, not you. I am the one who created and distributed the copy.

Receiving an unauthorized copy is not a copyright violation. A bootleg DVD is illegal to sell; it is not illegal to buy or to own.

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