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[–] Ragdoll_X@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I don't like racism against white people or sexism against men. Do I think they're less urgent or worrying than bigotry directed at other groups? Sure. There's less hate against men and whites compared to other groups, and bigotry against them doesn't have the same social or political impact due to current systemic racism and sexism being directed at others. But bigotry is still bigotry, and I don't like bigotry against anyone.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago

As a white man, it means nothing to me when someone uses my race against me. The historical context of oppression doesn’t accompany the insult. However, there have been times in my life when minorities have excluded me or shunned me for my race, which sucks, but it doesn’t mean I’m going to internet war over it.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

As a woman I'm not a fan of calling men simple or easy. They've just been conditioned differently, and that's a continued part of the patriarchy.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

I think it's important to differentiate systemic racism from bigotry. There are some people who have a definition of "racism" that actually means "systemic racism," and they make a more compelling case that "racism against white people" doesn't exist.

I'm of the opinion that systemic racism against white people is pretty rare, but you can find it in niche communities, not as much society as a whole. I also think of systemic racism as being about inequity rather than inequality; but if you were to consider it as being about inequality instead of inequity, then you could make a case that e.g. affirmative action is systemic racism against white people.

A lot of this is semantics, which is a distraction from real problem solving.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That is ignorant to what racism actually is. Racism is not just a set of unconnected rude actions towards someone but specifically exists within a cultural context that subjugates certain groups. Racism upholds that oppressive framework and racial bias in statements and beliefs help to encourage that false framing of the world. White men aren’t oppressed in the same way that a racial minority woman is and to say it is racism or sexism all the same is to downplay those specific experiences and cultural norm that holds certain groups and the individuals within those groups down.

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The way all of this is discussed and phrased paints a sort picture, in some peoples minds, of white men being evil. The problem is that this capitalist society is too isolatating, individualistic, and distracting for everyone to properly empathize with the struggles of others, so we end up with these people on the defensive. We're left with a portion of the population supporting a proper biggot like trump to now justify they're own existence.

If only we could have all been properly educated.. but its all just distracting from the fact that everyone suffers from an oppressive and exploitative system, some more than others. But its probably about time for a more uniting class conscience form of rhetoric.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 days ago

What’s the more uniting class consciousness? When is anyone saying white men are inherently evil? The fact is that they are rewarded for upholding existing frameworks in the US and Europe. Have you read Sakai’s Settlers? He goes over this quite well.

I have no clue what you mean about a more uniting rhetoric besides just denying reality in order to appeal to a group that is materially rewarded by the current system. We have to analyze things materially, not through lenses of trying to “reframe things to appeal to this group”.