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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't get it, what happened?

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Baiscally, POTUS invited Zelenskyy to the White House for a meeting to discuss potential terms for a peace deal with Russia. In a press conference, Trump and Vance basically blamed Zelenskyy for the war, told him that by not capitulating to US and Russian demands, he was gambling with WWIII, said that Ukraine doesn't have any "cards" - that they can't have a say in peace deals involving them, and literally started yelling at him and lost any sense of decorum. All of this was after Zelenskyy proposed a version of Trump's "give us all your rare earth minerals" plan that involved US Ukranian mining partnership - so already a partial capitulation.

It was a... bad... PR and diplomatic decision. It weakens US leadership globally, further erodes soft power, is going to make China evaluate if Taiwan has "cards" in the way that Ukraine does not, etc. It was disastrous for US foreign policy and further marks a decline in its importance glabally.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So they tried to bully him into selling out his country for a temporary peace? Didn't they know that Zelenskyy has balls?

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

No, they mostly succeasfully bullied him into giving away their mineral rights, and then when he showed up and said "this will guarantee peace, right?" they started screaming at him like enraged babboons on live television.

The whole thing was a setup, designed to catch Zelensky on TV being ungrateful and uncooperative, but he played them like fiddles and absolutely destroyed any standing the administration may have had left with Europe.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you find the full unedited versions you can watch two terrible US elected officials try to treat Zelenskyy like an adversary, talking down to him, talking over him, and spreading Putin's talking points. Zelenskyy handled it well, probably biting his tongue, and showed what an actual leader looks like.

As he said a cease fire with Russia means nothing, because Putin didn't honour it previously.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you give a link or are they being censored by official media?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

Trump and Vance lack any balls at all, so of course they don't recognize someone who does.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

They assume that they are good at being bullies.

Just because they try to be bullies and act like tough guys doesn't mean that people are going to just sit there and take it, though. Especially when they're dealing with someone who actually is both tough and smart.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

They're not familiar with testicular fortitude so no, they had no idea.

They probably still think they "showed him" or something.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Zelensky went to the white house for a mineral deal in exchange for security guarantees.

Then Trump said you have no leverage and sent Zelensky away. Probably forgetting about the minerals which were Zelensky leverage.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Open any news site and look for Zelenskyy?

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I could, but I'm holding a baby right now

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And yet you are able to reply to the comments. Curious.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

You got me! I actually duckduckgoosed an article from a non-American source and boned up on the sitch

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're typing out these responses, you might be able to search up the info lol. Zelensky met with Trump and Vance at the White House. People are raging at Trump and Vance. That's the best summary I have.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Trump is such a dingus

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Put the baby down.

I know several effective insults if you need help.