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You ignore one simple fact.
The GOP always votes Red, no matter who.
It takes two sides to have a reasonable discussion, but only one side to start a war.
It's a war and you've been invaded.
They literally don't though. They voted for Trump because they liked him, not because he ran as a Republican. There's that phenomenon where Trump voters also vote for candidates like AOC or Bernie Sanders, so... Yeah.
A lot of people that voted for Bernie back in the day voted for Trump and then AOC down ballot in 24.
The far left cannot fathom people making those choices or existing at all it seems. But they really do.
Milquetoast liberals are about as much in denial about this as the hard left socialists, maybe even more so.
I definitely feel the denial rates on this particular topic lessen the more towards center you get, but I get your point.
Suuuuuuure they did buddy...
Now get to sleep so the Easter Bunny has time to hide the eggs.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aoc-trump-voters_n_67320370e4b052f25adcff55
AOC was surprised and when she tried to talk to people to understand why they would vote for her and Trump the left threw a fit and yelled at her.
Y'all are in deep denial about this shit apparently.
Oh ok...
That's saying more people voted her and trump in 2024 than voted her and trump in 2020.
Not what you claimed it said.
That number includes people who voted Republican up and down ballot in 2020 just as much as it includes people who voted D for both in 2020.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/upshot/voters-trump-bernie-sanders.html
So now you think every Bernie supporter was a Democrat before 2016?
You're doing a great job of illustrating how progressive policy is popular with voters regardless of party tho, so by all means keep going...
Are you just doing that thing where people assume an article supports them but didn't take the time to read it?
Speaking of, here's the link in case you delete it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/upshot/voters-trump-bernie-sanders.html
Just keep on making assumptions about me. So far you've been wrong every single time lol.
I read both the articles before I sent them. I never delete comments or posts. I'm not a Republican. You got any other shit takes you wanna make about me?
Well, do you understand them now?
Because it doesn't really seem like it's sunk in...
I don't think you even understand what argument you have been trying to make since the start. YOU came into the thread saying something I said was bullshit.
I sent you proof it wasn't two different times and you decided to just change what the argument was from the start.
Your first comment in this thread was calling into question my claim that ex Bernie supporters voted for Trump and AOC.
I sent you two different articles talking out the topic with data that backs up what I said that those people DO exist despite the left being largely in denial about it.
Hell there's a fuckin wiki article talking about the Bernie--->Trump voters for the 2016 and 2020 elections: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanders%E2%80%93Trump_voters
I don't know what your malfunction is, but I think I'm all good on explaining the same thing to you over and over.
Have a good day.
I 100% understand where you got your bad opinion from now...
There's just no logic in the steps between those two articles and what you're saying they mean.
You had an idea in your head, and you found a few kernals of truth. Then you played connect the dots and that's where the confusion happened.
It's conspiracy theory level thinking. You started with the results you wanted, found a couple things that were real, and then twisted it to get to your predetermined result.
Like, no one online is going to break you out of this line of thinking. If social media comments could break it, trump wouldn't be president right now. I hope you have friends and family that can help.
Good fucking lord the mental gymnastics on this guy are something to behold.
I didn't do any of the things you've made up in your little fantasy there. I personally know several people who went down that exact Bernie -> Trump/AOC route. I know they aren't the only people who went down that same path.
The whole point of my original comment was that people like you will do anything except admit that y'all lost some voters in this one weird specific path.
Like the other guy said. Denial of the strangest breed.
How'd that work out?
Seriously, if your plan is to follow the same path as Republicans, does that mean you think it's worked out well for them the last 20 years?
Are republican voters being taken care of by their elected officials or did having no standards and excusing everything their party did just make it so the most corrupt candidate advances to the general?
What is different about Dems that would make the result be literally the opposite, and how much more time do you think we should waste seeing if it works?
Instead of running a charismatic candidate with a progressive which statistically results in the presidency, House, and Senate?
Why not take the easy path that gets us what we want instead of the hardest path where we get the least reward?
They won, and kicked 79 Million people out of health insured status.
The fascist party always votes for fascists without thought? Who woulda guessed.
Guess we gotta be fascists and vote without thought to beat them! Why has no one just tried to out fascist fascists before, it's so simple and you're so smart for coming up with that strategy.
So what's your plan?
How do we get Trump out? Create a 3rd Party in under 24 months?
Any usable ideas?
Acknowledge the problems Americans are actually facing, pick the leaders of the thousands of protests currently happening as grass roots campaigners, identify of those leaders who has the admin experience to do the boring jobs of an elected official, while folding in the hundreds of third party reps already in office by simply taking their talking points into the platform. Ideally make a show of rejecting corporate funding and roll some union leaders into the party to provide easy consistent funding sources.
People are happy to vote for things, if they believe you're not a cop or corporate puppet, like Harris or Clinton respectively.
Oh, and public executions for people that think you can't have a third party in fptp even when one party falls entirely out of favor.
So, the same people who didn't show up for Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to come to the polls now?
People keep posting like there's this giant army of leftists out there. I haven't seen them yet, and don't plan on counting on them.
Also, your plan is remarkably light on details. Are these people going to be voting in Dem primaries, or creating a 3rd party.
And there's not one candidate named. Just some vague Not Hillary Clinton.
Yes, the people that thought sanders had no chance due to dnc corruption that they were objectively correct about will mobilize for someone without that restriction. If sanders were to start a third party he alone would ensure the dnc never gets another candidate in office. And he's a moderate.
Because of the rules on civility, I'm going to say this as absolutely nicely as I can. Who the fuck are you to demand more from a random on the internet than the entire democratic party has ever given anyone?
It's a more concrete plan than continuing to go far right as the Dems did in the last two elections where they lost.
M4a has around a 70% approval rating in polls, as does measures like focusing on green energy, taxing the rich, providing free college, retraining police, and reducing the power of the executive. Hell even ubi has over 50% in most polls. "Leftist" policies are popular. Hell socialism is extremely popular. You just can't use the word socialist or communist thanks to 80 years of you people existing.
I asked for a plan. You don't have one. You can't even name a candidate. And somehow this is all my fault.
Yeah, JAQing off is all you people do. You want us to vote, unquestioningly for whatever fascist you throw up, and constantly ask pointless leading questions after they e been answered.
The candidate shouldn't matter. This is a democracy not an oligarchy. Hell you shouldn't even be allowed to vote for individuals, given they should just be fulfilling the ideology of their party.
In any case why not de la Cruz, since she's a woman but not evil.
I still don't see anything like a plan.
Keep on yelling on the internet. Maybe some random MAGoo will see your posts and rethink everything.
GOP also always picks a Republican head of the FBI when they're in charge. So does the Democratic president. Why is that?
You may want to inform party leadership there's a war on, they been out here trying to pull a muscle reaching across the aisle.
Except the GOP doesn't always vote red, not matter who. I am friends with several people who are still registered Republicans that did not vote for Trump either time.
Fucking echo chambers are dangerous man.
Trump had a difference of less than a million votes between this election and his first. You friends are anecdotes that don’t move the needle. They are the exception not the rule.
Herman Cain was Trump's pal, I guess that means Trump's not a racist, right?