Is anyone here aware of some alternatives to mentioned instant messaging applications ? Alot of people keep mentioning Signal , however since it is US based I am not going to entertain it as a possibility.

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[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Matrix is terrible for privacy. It shares more metadata with the servers than any other messenger.

[–] troed@fedia.io 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

From which year is that claim?

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Today. Matrix does not encrypt your metadata like Signal does. The server can easily build a social tree.

[–] troed@fedia.io 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The Signal server and a Matrix server, of course, have the same metadata visibility.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

No they don't. Signal does not get any metadata. Matrix servers get everything and more than any other messenger. Not even the profile picture is encrypt with Matrix.

[–] troed@fedia.io 1 points 40 minutes ago

Yeah no, that's not how it works. The closed source Signal server by definition gets the meta data on your chats. It's simply needed for it to do its job. When receiving the encrypted message contents the Signal server, at the moment of the IP connection, knows the identity of the sending party. It also must know the identity of the receiving party, else it would be very difficult to make sure the message reaches them.

That's the user graph right there. Now Signal says they don't log it, and I'm sure they don't (here's where you look up what a National Security Letter is btw). If I run my own Matrix server for me and my friends, I can prove that it doesn't log.

[–] fieryhamster@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I highly suggest getting third party reviews instead of competitor reviews which are ALWAYS SLANTED. Not to mention Matrix based like Element and Fluffychat are Open Source. Unlike Signal. Not to mention Signal provided info to US authorities fairly recently.