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[–] SamB@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

There are remote areas where cable won’t reach. For example, I need surveillance on a remote farm and I would love to get internet there.

[–] stembolts@programming.dev 4 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

Cable will reach anywhere. There is not such a place that cable "will not reach". Is there a profit incentive to serve you as a customer in a capitalist system? Maybe not. But cable will reach.

[–] MoonHawk@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure if you are in Europe, but in the US there are places where you could walk the width of Germany and see 100 houses. It does not serve to be technically correct here. Also, how would that work with boats / other vehicles and places without infrastructures?

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There are exceptions, but in most cases (in Europe) hardwire should work fine. The problem is that starlink is advertised for any use case.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

Their are villages in rural England who don't have fiber. It wouldn't be cost-effective delay it for the six customers that require it.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Well, cable will not reach a warzone which is a rather pertinent use for a satellite communication system at present.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I know plent of places in my European country where cable does reach, but was made for landline phones and cannot carry any data for internet because its so far from the nearest distribution center. even wireless like microwave can't sustain more than a quality camera feed

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You'd need signal boosters at regular intervals, which need power... so now you're running multiple cables.

But you can't run them too close together as the power will induce noise in the data cable.

And after a long distance even the power needs boosting.

And to protect the cables, you'd need to bury them or put them on poles. Separately.

At a certain point, cable becomes the expensive option...

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

Usually fiber is used between cities and in cities and copper is for the "last mile". Usually there is a switching box for the street / building complex

[–] EstonianGuy@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

One broken cable can result in a city/town without internet. Speaking from experience.

Also satellites have other uses like GPS

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I doubt they use the same satellites for GPS

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I understand, but that is the exception. Even in your case probably getting 4G / 5G to that area would be cheaper / easier long term. Also Europe has a relatively high density compared with other continents

[–] SamB@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’m in Italy and outside cities, the Internet is still horrendous. And as I said, if you have a remote farm or garden, which are fairly common here, then you are on your own. Sim based internet is a thing, but there are monthly limits which are risky when you need surveillance and automation to be always live.

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 1 points 2 seconds ago

4G or 5G would still be a better cheaper alternative, I'm not sure what bandwidth a starlink / whatever other alternative but my guess is that is much lower then a classic cell tower.

Cell towers usually have multiple directional antennas, smaller coverage but much cheaper to maintain. Also can be fixed, can be upgraded to next generation. Satellites are pretty much one time use, can't be upgraded, can't be fixed, if something goes wrong the solution is to burn and send another one.