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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I would point out that the system we live in now is also maintained by violence and a lot of bloodshed, all alternatives are aggressively opposed, many people live in awful conditions already, and more often they tend to be the people on receiving end of US weapon systems. The actual death toll of capitalism is extremely high if you include social murder and neglect too.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone -2 points 16 hours ago

i don’t disagree, but i’d say that humans are, and will be responsible regardless of the system used

we’re living in the most peaceful time ever, with the highest quality of life… i’m not saying that fully socialist systems wouldn’t produce that, but i am saying compared with most of human history, things really aren’t that bad, and i’m not sure that it’s worth paying in human lives for a radical (and i’m using that world to mean big; not bad) change because the outcome is uncertain