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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's the most anti-communist country on the planet, so there's not much hope. Talk of raising wages or organizing collectively, or not agreeing with US imperialist foreign policy gets you labelled a commie / tankie by its witch-hunting, McCarthyite majority.

If there's a list of countries to next take the communist road, the US would be dead last.

[–] Commiunism@beehaw.org 9 points 7 hours ago

Realistically, it's an impossibility. This view is mostly propagated via liberal news sources, having the main battle be conservatism vs progressivism or left vs right (as opposed to class struggle, the poor vs rich, working class vs capitalists), and since the democrats are more progressive than republicans, they're the "good guys" who should be supported.

For it to be destroyed, we'd have to catch up to their level of influence and reach or even surpass it, to show people that they're a party of capitalists who sometimes are progressive, and not an actual ally of the working or middle classes but only pretending to be one. Maybe going one step further too and influencing progressive movements democrats support to pay attention to economic aspects too, given how their root causes aren't purely social?

But again, it's impossible for us workers to have such reach, given how well funded media is.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

We don't have to do anything other then work on passing electoral reform one state at a time. Democrats can be whatever the hell they want, so long as everyone is free to vote how they want with the ability to transfer their vote.

Electoral Reform Videos

First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

Videos on alternative electoral systems

STAR voting

Alternative vote

Ranked Choice voting

Range Voting

Single Transferable Vote

Mixed Member Proportional representation

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 hours ago

Historically, that doesn't actually fix systemic issues, though, like the only parties of relevance electorally being pre-approved and backed by the bourgeoisie. Moreover, electoral reform doesn't have a real path to implementation that would make more sense than revolution to begin with.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 hours ago

This has never done anything in countries that use it, like SK, Japan, Australia, etc. It might make the candidate stacking a little more expensive, but that's it.

If capital stands above the political system, the method of voting doesn't matter.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

they're not good guys they are simply more competent at government

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The Deprogram podcast, Hakim, and Second Thought YT channels all exist to address this. It's rather obvious to anybody willing to learn

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 12 points 11 hours ago

Believe you me, I've been trying for years. Tribalism runs too deep in the human condition for there to be any obvious fix.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 35 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

democrats are simply the 'lesser evil', and have been since the 1960s, at least.. and we've needed a viable third party left of the mainstream for longer.

republican administrations drag us down and undo gains made. democrats repair some of the damage--but never quite enough, never push progress enough. they lose. it gets undone again and the cycle repeats.

but now it's all getting destroyed. there may not be a continuation of the cycle. it's hell from here on until 'trumpism' and maga are what is completely destroyed.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah.

There is always that cycle that includes "Democrats didn't do everything they promised so they deserve to suffer", which brings in Republicans that cause far more damage.

And given the number of election cycles, you would think there would be some organization by now for overall leftist causes, but there isn't. There is no party or organization out there that can pose an electoral threat. The right produced the TEA party, which morphed to MAGA. Leftists have nothing.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats don't even promise anything anymore. Not since 2008

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

2008 is what ultimately radicalized me. I volunteered for Obama, put in so much footwork, and really believed he would seek to make change. Looking back now, what a fool I was.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 6 hours ago

The hope and change trick worked twice with Obama 1 and trump 1...

Now it feels like a tired trope to get a "safe" regime whore into the white house

[–] kreynen@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 9 hours ago

@adarza@lemmy.ca

@Confidant6198@lemmy.ml I thought we were finally making progress with Rank Choice Voting starting to gain traction, but agree... there may not be enough left to salvage after this unless the MAGA movement collapses before the midterms... assuming we still are have elections and people other than white land owners can vote. Still not entirely sure how far back Trump supporters need to go for the "again" point when America was great.

MAGA are NOT the majority of Americans, but sadly they only slightly exceed the Americans who don't vote at all. While not the government many Americans wanted, when "I'm not into politics" stopped resulting in an immediate response of "so you aren't American?", we ended up with the government we deserve.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Cause they aren't, they are just the "better guys".

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 12 hours ago

They're basically "republicans light": still bad but at least not literal nazis

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Step 1: Don't generalize. Don't say "Americans" when you mean "some Americans". As you can see from browsing here and on other media sites, there are a great many vocal people who have voted Democrat for years but are entirely disappointed by decades of failed DNC leadership.

Step 2: Remind people that everyone is on their own side. Politicians might vote the way you want, or not, but their interests will never be exactly the same as yours. Don't ever believe that the two-party system is an accurate description of our values.

Step 3: Share memes of Schumer.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

"Some Americans" is still a generalization. Generalizations are extremely useful. We cannot function without them. Perhaps you mean to say, don't over-generalize.

[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can’t do it . You must just get labelled a Russian bot and banned

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 hours ago

I'm ready for my ban I guess.

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Because three real fight is the rich vs the poor. Even rich democrats.

[–] badbrainstorm@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Also this. As NOFX says, Americas for sale, and you can get a good deal on it, and make a healthy profit. Fucking Pelosi and her kind gotta go

[–] badbrainstorm@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Many Americans don't like either party at this point. Thus the low voter turnout and apathy. Many vote Democrat as the lesser of two evils. Though, the goalpost keep getting pushed to the right, to the point that Democratic party is well right of center. I understand the apathy at this point. But I wish that people understood that if we want things to come back to the left, then we're going to have to vote overwhelmingly Democratic for a while. And not just every four years. Everybody whines the Democrats don't get anything done when they're elected. But they generally only have two years of majority in the house, Senate, because they can't be bothered to vote every two years...

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -5 points 13 hours ago

Republicans already did that.