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How do you destroy the notion that Democrats are the good guys? Americans seem like a lost cause on that regard (lemmy.ml)

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Corporate bullshit and stock markets and whatnot are magnified in impact and scale in Capitalist systems

and authoritarian tendencies are magnified in impact and scale in socialist systems because they are by definition centralised - that’s not to say it’s inevitable, just that anyone living under these systems needs to be hyper aware of those issues and respond accordingly

nothing is perfect

As for "trying to keep things small," that's been tried. Trust busting was attempted, protectionism has been attempted, but regardless of will, material processes continue.

i think the closest we have to that is the EU with things like the DMA which is making a dent… with strong regulatory authority that’s resistant to capture, it’s not impossible to regulate these things… the same is true of socialism: you need strong regulatory authorities that are resistant to capture to stop people from abusing the system for the own personal interests

As for Socialism being a necessity, it's true. It will have various forms, but eventually as production gains in complexity it necessitates public ownership and planning to continue to be efficient.

i think perhaps we should define what we actually mean - i think socialism is necessary in some part to tackle the issues we face (healthcare, housing, something akin to UBI, etc)

but i think no single system is going to be the silver bullet to all our problems: it’s going to take a long and sustained effort over many generations to figure out the right mix of all the systems we have, and it’s absolutely not going to happen in a big bang

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago

I don't know what you mean by "authoritarian tendencies," AES states are generally more democratic for the working class than Capitalist states. I think you're just accepting the tyranny of the bourgeoisie as outside the realm of democracy, when political economy is interlinked.

As for the EU, it's in decay and relies on Imperialism, it isn't a sustainable model and they are thoroughly vassalized by the US Empire.

As for Socialism, I don't mean Social programs. I mean moving from an economic model where Private Property is dominant to one where Public Property is dominant. You're right, this will be a long process, but it will be through such a model based on Public Owneship. Look to the PRC to see the kind of long, drawn-out process this is in action.