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Hey, that one's actually good, only issue being one instance of "Hostages" vs "detainees"
This one is pretty damn bad though, spending a disproportionate amount of time uncritically repeating the lies and rhetoric of Israel, it also repeats the lie of Hamas starting the fighting by "attacking Israel" as well as not differentiating between civilian and military casualties on October 7th, before immediately giving a comedicly low death count for Israel's genocide in Gaza.
A good editorial, not that it too talks about how bad the media has been.
I mean, they're still extremely hesitant to actually call it what it is, instead resorting to qualified "some say" framing, while also giving equal consideration (or sometimes greater) to obvious lies from Israel. Don't get me wrong, the guardian is way better than most, but that a relative statement.
Doesn't Hamas also call them that? Or perhaps it's just translated as such.
The entire point of that article is to report on what Israel is saying. So I'm not sure how that can be disproportionate if it exclusively talks about what it says in the headline. I think it makes sense for a media outlet to also report what Israel says, even if it can be disproven (and the Guardian does add that context). The Guardian here objectively reports on what Israel says, which I think is an important function of a news outlet. The Guardian also mentions that the "eruption of violence" started on October 7th, and I'm pretty sure that's objectively true as well. Before that there was a very uneasy "peace" with plenty of violence to go around, but nothing to the scale of what we saw on Octobee 7th and beyond. Note how the language used doesn't explicitly blame Hamas for the entire conflict.
The "comedically low death count" is the count as reported by the Gaza health ministry. Of course more people have indirectly died as a result of the war, but that's a different statistic. Not sure what you want the Guardian to do here, unless you think Hamas is also fudging the numbers or something(?)
Doesn't even know the Palestinian Authority are fully controled by the genociders.
The Gaza health ministry is under Hamas jurisdiction.
That is true, the Ministry of Health however isn't.
They could've provided the low numbers.
The article says "Palestinian health authorities" which could mean either or some other 'officials' and I suspect it's deliberately kept vague to not reveal an israeli (controlled) source.
"Gaza health ministry" isn't even mentioned once in this article?
You naming that specifically is pretty suspicious and sneaky.
Hasbara sneaky even.
Would be news to me, and that kind of double standard in language has been used a lot (see "kidnapped from his tank").
Yes? That's exactly my point. Do they have articles who's whole point is to report on what Palestine is saying? Yemen? Russia?
They choose their own headlines.
I don't.
You going to read the rest of that sentence? The part that goes "...when thousands of Hamas-led gunmen attacked Israeli communities around the Gaza Strip, killing 1,200 people and abducting 251 hostages."
It's also objectively true that Israel is a fascist, genocidal ethnostate, you won't see them saying that though.
That death count is the direct munitions deaths that the barely functionally health ministry has been able to confirm. It is the depths of willfully misleading to imply that thats the actual estimated total death count. And you can tell that it's misleading, because it misled you.
Even that count is much higher than the number Guardian gave now, they're using old numbers.
Actually no, that's the statistic The Guardian is falsely claiming it is.
For a start, they should include that the estimates for total deaths had already passed the two hundred thousand mark half a year ago.