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All the historical evidence for Jesus in one room

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your entire argument first argument is that evidence standards should be lowered because it is difficult. You have no primary evidence. No amount of arguing that you don't need it will get rid of that statement. If you had primary evidence would you maintain that it didn't matter? If I was sitting here with secondary and you had primary your argument would change to suit that. Sour grapes thinking.

There are only two pieces of information that all known secondary sources agree upon with respect to Jesus. 1.there was a man who was baptized by John the Baptist. 2. that same man was executed by the Romans via crucifixion.

I see. Can you please show me in the 7 undisputed Pauline letters where Paul says that Jesus Christ was Baptized by John the Baptist. Also the Gospel of Thomas if you feel up for it. Please remember that you said "all". Watch as this quitely doesn't get mentioned again.

This is a reasonably small claim and this requires reasonably small evidence to accept.

Pseudoscience and pseudohistory over time makes smaller and smaller claims. The newest snake oil cures baldness to cancer, a generation later it "makes you feel well". Aliens are getting harder and harder to find as camera technology improves. God goes from creating the universe to appearing in driveway oil stains or even worse an abstract diest god.

Things that are real make bolder and larger claims as time goes on. You are doing the same here. You start out with hundreds of claims about Jesus and weaken them one by one until you can create an itty bitty claim that no one can disprove or prove.

Instead of trying to sneak a conclusion in why not just follow the data to where it leads? The data we do have shows a doctrine that benefitted the people who spread it, pulled from cultures of the areas, and massive inconsistents. All the hallmarks of liars and grifters who made up a story.

Historical Jesus most likely existed. So what?

Evidence please.

I know you feel strongly about this, but that doesn’t mean jack shit.

You are not a mind reader.

I know what you want, but asking for it shows a distinct dismissal of historical research and the way you demanded it demonstrated a lack of willingness to participate, if not an intentional facade to advance a tenuous position.

Nope haven't done it. I have noted the total lack of primary evidence that very conveniently doesn't exist. Maybe you can just go ahead and produce your sources instead of trying to analyze me? You know, attack the argument and not the person.

At the end of the day, you were either ignorantly defending a fringe position or you are actively baiting people into a bad faith discussion trying to further a fringe position.

Dang you really like making this about me instead of the data. Kinda reminds me when religious folks tell me that I just want to sin.

Jesus H Christ man. What the fuck do you want? At this point you are an asshole either way. Either you are willfully ignoring the arguments people are making (not just me) or you are actively trying to make them mad.

Primary evidence of the existence of Jesus. Was I not clear?

[–] fkn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I should have realized engaging with you was pointless.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

About as pointless as defending any idea that lacks evidence, such as God.