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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

That means fuck ECOWAS as a tool of the oppressors also. Critical support for every coup in Africa, and for the rights of Africans to demand the French and US militaries leave their country.

Critical Readings:

  • Neocolonialism by Kwame Nkrumah.
  • How Europe Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney.
  • Rethinking Ownership of Development in Africa by T.D. Harper-Shipman.

Recommended readings:

  • Unsustainable Empire: Alternative Histories of Hawaii Statehood by Dean Itsugi Saranillio.
  • Radical Markets: Uprooting Capitalism and Democracy for a Just Society by Eric A. Posner and E. Glen Weyl.
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[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

Nice strawman.

I'm saying that the French people make it be known (as they're so good at making things known to the government - probably the best in the world) that they don't want their government to continue abusing their former colonies, then hopefully that gets pushed up the agenda for prospective parties, who then go on to organise a transition to full self rule. If that had happened before we wouldn't be having this discussion, so not only are you constructing a strawman by using the acts of former French governments against a hypothetical future one, you're not even destructing it properly as you're just saying "look this happened before" rather than actually giving reasons as to why your hypothetical future French strawman government would go against the will of their voters to maintain control over their former colonies.

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 7 points 10 months ago

So again, you don’t support Africans taking their sovereignty, but you do support French citizens asking their government to give African countries sovereignty.

Why would the French government vote against the will of their constituency? I don’t know, maybe you should ask them why they forced through that retirement bill earlier this year.

This all neglects the fact, that it is not the French governments NOR the French peoples right to determine African sovereignty, it is Africans right and theirs alone. I have a feeling you would’ve supported the French over Sankara just because he gained power in a coup.

[-] mounderfod@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 10 months ago

So again, you don’t support Africans taking their sovereignty, but you do support French citizens asking their government to give African countries sovereignty.

both have the same result, and if the former is the only option then fine, but the latter certainly results in less death and suffering than a violent coup might

[-] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 9 points 10 months ago

Well, they’ve had 50 years to surrender their neo-colonies, you can’t fault Africans for getting tired of waiting and seizing their sovereignty themselves. Or you can, but you’d be an idiot.

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