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UNRWA being "infiltrated by terrorists" is a fabrication by Israel to destroy support for UNRWA and prevent Palestinians in Gaza from access to food, medicine, education...
If it wasn't for UNRWA Israel would have had to pay billions of dollars every year to uphold its obligation in provision for the civillian population under their occupation.
Also speaking of Israeli "retaliatory" strikes is ignoring the day to day and unprovoked violence by Israel against people in Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Westbank way before October 7. For instance Israeli snipers boasted with how many women and children they shot during an attempt of peaceful protest by Palestinians in Gaza 2018-2019. In 2023 before October 7 Israel already killed more than 200 Palestinians. All of the violence, the ethnic cleansing, the abuse in Israeli torture camps, the slow starvation by blockade of Gaza... All of that was conveniently ignored by the same nations that now make demands towards Palestinians for a two state solution, without making demands towards Israel.
With that it becomes clear that there is no interest by Macron to actually establish a two state solution. He just knows that supporting genocide is unpopular with his people and he needs to distract from his own domestic issues.
As for the analogy to domestic abuse. It is a "forced marriage" which the Palestinians did not want and was enforced with violence from the very beginning. Claiming a "toxic relationship" to put blame on the victims of domestic abuse as a default is already a problem in the case of domestic abuse and it holds true in the analogy to Palestine.
Anyone who would be serious about a two state solution would make the following demands towards Israel:
In turn the same compliance towards legal proceedings and courts have to come from the Palestinians. But i am certain they would be happy to comply, if Israel is actually held accountable for once. But as it stands accountability is only ever demanded from Palestinians for Israel then to continue their crimes with impunity.
And that is exactly what I mean with "toxic relationship". You seem obsessed with Israeli crimes, but are totally ignoring every atrocity coming from the Palestinian and Arab side. This won't solve this conflict at all. And demanding stuff that nobody could even accept on a road to peace (like your travel ban for all active and former IDF soldiers, which are due to mandatory military service for men and women all Israelis). Try to spread peace, don't be a online keyboard warrior.
As i said, the ones who committed crimes on the Palestinian side should be subjected to the same court proceedings and i am confident that the Palestinians would comply with it, if these proceedings are looking at the crimes irrespective of the ethnicity, religion, citizenship or any other aspect of the suspect.
The problem is that without preventing suspected criminals from escaping, they will escape. Especially as the majority of crimes in question would result in life long imprisonment if convicted.
If we were not to establish justice by subjecting every suspected criminal to a court of law, the question is what could be done instead? A general amnesty? How would a lasting peace be possible if the same people that murdered, tortured, pillaged and raped just a few months ago would walk free and live next to their victims? If you want i can emphasize again that this goes for everyone on the perpetrator and victims side, irrespective of ethnicity, religion or citizenship. I also don't think that it is in the interest of the Israelis or Palestinians that people from "their side" walk free and unpunished after having committed such atrocities. These people are a danger to everyone around them.