DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated…..
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
if it was so easy, you would do it and support your own claims. this is not evidence, it's hand waving.
Then prove I'm making it up, if it's so easy
I can't possibly prove something doesn't exist. You're claiming there is evidence that something does exist, it's on you to provide that evidence.
I'm not the only person here who remember that crowd.
What should I prove next, 1+1=2?
Put up or shut up.
You're a mod and didn't ever see it?
I can dig up dozens of threads on bluesky (didn't go into a lot of conversations about it here or elsewhere), but you can see in this very thread there's other people who encountered them.
The attitude is also remarkably unprofessional with the mod flag visible
That's with a simple text search; I found 503 results and picked those comments out of the first 21 of them. There were quite a lot. Some from pretty high-profile people, it wasn't all just random idiots. But yes it was an extremely common point of view.
As for the rest of your comments NSRXNs reply seems to have covered it.
Oh, yeah, like I say I very much agree with you about making an argument and then not backing it up being bullshit. I actually would really like if that was an across-the-board rule that drew mod action when people violated it. It's way too accepted on Lemmy to just spout off whatever's in your head and then wander away or get offended if someone asks you to back it up. I'm just saying that deciding that rule as a one-off and applying it to a person on the opposite side of an active argument you and NSXRN are in (whether or not your comments were close enough to this person's comments to be "in that thread" is, to me, not relevant) is pretty authoritarian of you.
Ok I suppose maybe you are right in this case.
Sweet! Yes very occasionally and completely by accident it does happen.
😂
The comment that started this accusation said:
Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…
which prompted the response:
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
and a furth explanation:
There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse
to which i said:
you’re making that up.
and the rest of the thread has been bickering about whether, in fact, they made that up. the accusation is that, since the election, the people opposed to genocide who wanted to exert electoral pressure, who were also people who were pretending only democrats could have responsibility AND that trump could not be worse, have since disappeared. i know that's a lot of commas. lets make this a bit clearer:
the accusation is that
there are people who
and that those people
what you provided was evidence that, in fact, those people don't exist, and to the extent that people who met criteria a-c may have existed (it's still not clear they held this belief prior to the election), they did not, also fulfill criteria (e).
so despite your aptitude for verbosity and markdown syntax, your comment is, also, not evidence.
edit: i made a few syntactic edits to this, but as i'm now reading it for the 12th time or so, i don't actually think we have evidence of anyone fulfilling criteria c in addition to a and b.
That's nice. I was responding to a very particular exchange, different from the one you picked out to look at, which said:
Nobody is making up the crowd that pretended only Democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse. Some of them are still around, (and still! saying the same thing for some fucked-up reason, as per my examples) some are gone. I gave some examples of that crowd.
I don't really feel like a protracted exchange where you move goalposts around and introduce totally random qualifications like "in order to exert electoral pressure on the Democrats" when in fact the lack of that is a big part of why I object strongly to the whole operation. Where, something like the "uncommitted" movement is at least organized in a fashion where it seems like it could produce an improvement, by putting pressure on the Democrats, so that sounds fine. Just not voting for Democrats and hoping they'll figure it out and move to the left seems pretty much guaranteed to give us something along the lines of the catastrophe that happened. Which is why I am opposed to it.
Anyway feel free to tell the people in Gaza or immigrants in the US or any international student or Ukrainian or and so on about your theory and how pleased you are, now that it's succeeded, and aren't they proud of you.
this accusation of bad faith is itself bad faith
you're putting word in my mouth.
I never said you had said you were pleased about it. I said you should be pleased about it, now that it's had the absolutely 100% predictable result, and you should be proud to tell all the people scared or suffering because of it how this was an impact of your master plan to improve the Democrats, and how well it's working, and how important it was for you so you could accomplish your goals.
it's also met my theory, or anyone else's. it's a charicature made up by democrat party apologists. it's a strawman.
What was your theory for how refusing to support the Democrats was going to produce an improvement in the world, then? Tell me.
I can't speak for others. I was hoping their candidate would back off of supporting Israel and their sitting president would follow suit. it didn't happen so I don't know why you'd think I or anyone else would be pleased, or think it worked, or that that Democrats aren't responsible for their own failures
Super realistic. Absolute master stroke. And look how well it worked. I apologize for ever have criticized you or your strategy.
your sarcasm doesn't prove the fictional people you are lambasting ever existed, either.
I'm literally criticizing the strategy you just explained to me.
Edit: Oh, also, I'm criticizing some of the people I quoted up above who said that Trump might actually be better on Israel and similar things. I linked to them so you can see they are not imaginary. But, you don't necessarily have to be responsible for their viewpoint. I am also criticizing your viewpoint you just expressed to me, also, though.
those comments were made after the election and things did change. they are not evidence those positions were held prior to the election. you're just wrong
You really want me to take more time digging up more comments about this?
Okay sure.
They were actually easier to find, starting at the opposite end of the search list, than the other ones more recently. I think Trump getting elected means that some of these accounts have calmed down or moved on to other things, as the horror of what they were advocating has come to pass, whereas before the election it was a typhoon of this stuff and it was easier to depart from reality in their predictions.
Edit: Took the colons away so the links work
i couldn't find your second comment. the link breaks on my side. the first one is from cowbee, who definitely didn't disappear and who is still quite active on this topic. the last one is from someone who disappeared BEFORE the election, so also does not fit yourcriteria
you are grasping at straws. instead of tilting at windmills, why don't you criticize trump, as you expect leftists not to criticize the democrats?
Whee look at the goalposts go lol
See them fly
I have ascended, though. I have no need to run in pursuit of them any further. I like how we totally moved away from the direct discussion of how you're still defending this dogshit strategy now that the exact horror that me and many other people predicted from it, has come to pass. Well done! I really can't emphasize enough how proud I am of your strategy, or how well it has worked.
I edited the URLs so the links work.
I'm maintaining the same standard I have from the beginning.
your accusation of moving the goal post is unfounded.
which is far a field from where this discussion started, because someone is moving the goalposts.
I made an edit just now (before seeing your response), specifically tying it back to the place this discussion started.
Also, asking what you think so I can clarify why that, also, is wrong, is not at all moving the goalposts. It's just scoring one goal and then another one.
yes they are, and if that weren't the case you would have been able to show it
then it should be easy to find your evidence.