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Let's be honest about how unrealistic it is to expect people to voluntarily adhere to this. We need large scale lab meat asap
What if I told you we already have beans..
What if I told you beans don't taste like pork ribs? I love beans, but these things are not substitutes for one another, and insisting they are isn't going to make anyone become vegan.
Beans are definitely a better substitute for rotting, tortured animal flesh.
I'm not talking about forward thinking rational people like us. I'm talking about selfish everypersons that want to barbeque on the weekends and watch football eating chicken wings. We need to give them sensible substitutes or they won't change.
BBQs are easy
Here's a tomato, mushroom, bell pepper, onion, 10 Cobb's of corn, and a stack of black bean burgers.
Done.
Look I know your heart is in the right place, but there are a lot of people that straight up won't touch vegan substitutes unless other options are unavailable. And even then they might just leave the barbeque or eat chips if there's no burgers/brats. You're not trying to convince me, you're trying to convince my uncle in Wisconsin.
I just gave you a pile of burgers.
Non vegans eat vegan food all the time. Jusy don't tell them the chips and the salsa are vegan.
Oh god no.
Look at how much we fucked up natural meat with all the hormones and feed. Lab grown meat must be cheaper to make to compete with it, so imagine how atrocious the quality of it will be, from both health and nutrition perspective.
The problem is that people won't give up personal luxuries for some vague 'save the planet' cause. This is simple fact. The only way to satisfy people's desire for meat and the planet's ecological balance is production of artificial meat.
If you don't think it'll have the best texture or nutritional value, then that's fine. Do you think the people getting McDonald's cares about those things?
I'd rather not fed slab to the masses, thank you. Not only for ethical reasons, but also for monetary ones.
I'm all for the French model where they are taught (and given time and money) to consume healthy food. It's the only Western nation where the obesity rate is low AND decreasing.
A quick search (meaning I did not dig into it because it's very hard to read tables on mobile) shows that France has about one third the rate of veganism compared to the global population, and a quarter of the US rate. (I chose the US because they're the poster child for obesity.) While they may be healthy, they're still eating meat.
Yes. How could it be otherwise?
I don't really understand how you can think meat consumption is necessary for health and also be against lab-grown meat. Is there some other way you have in mind to address environmental and ethical concerns? It doesn't really help to survive today if doing so means extinction later from climate change.
This isn't a binary thing (eat only meat, eat no meat at all).
Eat less meat of good quality is the way. How is that something you don't understand is beyond me.
There are statistical studies after studies that show that pure vegetarian diet require very careful planing long term, and there are no studies of long term strictly vegan diet. Humans evolved eating lean meat, how suddenly removing all of meat based produce from our diet could be healthy long term?
Look at the current obesity pandemics that steams from us messing up with what we eat, ultra processed foods etc. I can't even imagine what would lab grown meat do to us, as it would be even worse slob.