Biggest problem with Bernie. He's been beaten for years into somehow believing the liberal lie that we can all be a family if we just vote hard enough. He points out the bullshit well, but then just connects it to voting for more democrats. There needs to be a call for a new workers parry. We need a new party, not a new democrat.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Math & Chaos theory says you have to get rid of FPtP voting before that can happen.

There is a reason the GOP is making other voting methods illegal in states they have control over.

Then, even if you manage that, those parties have to do the work at a local level. The Democratic Socialists seem to be the only 3rd party that understands that. The rest of them are nothing more than novelty parties or outright spoilers.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We need a new party, not a new democrat

Never going to happen while we still have FPTP, at least not the way you think it will. What would really happen, is this new party would split the Democratic vote, and the Republicans would win even harder. You have to get rid of FPTP before any 3rd party will be a realistic possibility. Until then it would just make things even worse.

[–] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

For President sure, but if say GOP got 45% of house, Dems 35%, party X 20%, surely Dems and X can hold majority and speakership together (and vote the same way on a lot of things), or does GOP get speakership because they have the highest single party vote?

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You’re assuming the democrats and this new party would vote the same for SotH and all important bills, in which case what’s the point of this new party? Also most states use FPTP for congressional elections as well, so while democrats and this third party would likely still win some seats, in most locations they would again split the vote and you’d end up with even more GOP congressional representatives than you have now. So it wouldn’t be 45/35/20 GOP/dem/X, it would be more like 80/15/5. That’s just the nature of how FPTP works.