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UK’s first trans judge appeals to European court of human rights over supreme court ruling
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Can you clarify what 'sex change operations' is intended to refer to, are you calling every step of gender affirming care 'sex change operations' or is something like hormones distinct in your mind?
The effects of going on hormones is largely reversible, surgery obviously less so.
The reality is vast majority of the people who do de-transition do so because of familial or social pressures, often social coercion. That's not to discount that there are ones who have some misdiagnosis leading them to pursue care that they didn't want. I just don't see how arbitrarily limiting care for everyone else solves this perceived issue other than via effective austerity- not allowing anyone to have care.
Top and bottom surgery.
I don't mean limiting care except for where it's actually unnecessary. Just have enough stringency.
Not even saying we should be more stringent. We might already be stringent enough.
If you have 6 year wait times it sounds like the issue is with the healthcare system failing to meet demand. In the video you linked they were struggling to get even hormones prescribed, citing a bias against self report and diy HRT. I can relate as while I've been able to get it prescribed I've had to pay out of pocket myself (with coupons) for injections because my insurance prioritizes oral and patches first because that's what the formulary says. It doesn't make medical sense because I can't really get to a therapeutic dose on patches, it doesn't make financial sense because patches are way more expensive than shots, but it is an arbitrary decision that makes getting care more difficult.
I think the system is already overly strict, also not the same everywhere, especially for even being able to start the transition process. For transfems facial hair is something that's going to need 'cosmetic' procedures (laser/electrolysis) to remove. The insurance pathway for that in my experience essentially requires you to be on HRT for a considerable length of time before they will even cover the procedure. That kind of wait can really compound mental stresses. I have a good connection for electrolysis and had enough income to get it done in parallel with starting HRT without insurance, but that's the exception.
A "bias" against self report and DIY HRT is understandable as the person has likely just been hanging out in forums and Discord servers but not assessed by a professional. The NHS wait times are a problem for every health condition and the whole system needs to be improved for everybody, not just for trans care.
I think it's important for it to be assessed first to make sure that necessary care is being funded by the taxpayer and not just cosmetic surgery
If your health system is taking 6 years to provide people with a hormone prescription it's clearly complete dog shit. Frankly sounds more like a warcrime than a health service. I don't think that making the care it provides worse for miniorities is going to fix how fucked up it is for everyone else. Maybe try fixing the system itself instead of punishing people for failing to conform to bullshit standards designed to deny care.
Classifying things which are neccessary care as "cosmetic" is how things are gatekept in our for-profit healthcare, as opposed to hand-wringing about misdiagnosis in service of cruel austerity.
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I did say we should focus on fixing the system overall. Our healthcare system is NOT for-profit. You're wrong about that.
I know it's not for profit, I explained how classifications are used under our for profit system to do the same things you do under your alleged healthcare system.
This is a UK politics thread on the UK politics sub on the UK based instance. What do you mean by "our". If you're one of those trumpian interfering yanks, then admit it.
Yeah, I'm offering you my experience with the US's horrifyingly dysfunctional healthcare system that was still able to give me a prescription within months rather than 6+ years. Maybe you should stop trying to blame trans people for your system failing so many people for so long.
At no point did I ever blame trans people. I don't know how you even read that out of what I said.
here's the things that jumped out at me:
based on this I can only conclude that you don't consider self report people to be trans. You're clearly shitting on them for not following the 6 year labyrinth of your health system to get hormones and a proper diagnosis.
from what I can tell your main concern is continuing austerity rather than just figuring out what care is needed and providing it.
I can conclude and you either missed or dismissed my point about cosmetic surgery. things like electrolysis on the face to remove facial hair may be "cosmetic" but it's also kind of a big deal for transfems who don't follow the puberty blocker track. It involves a lot of work in the system to even get to have that covered, I can assure you that nobody is getting recreational facial electrolysis.
if your concern is actually taxpayers money getting spent well maybe you lot should spend less money on weapons, cops and tax cuts? it's what I tell them here because those things are money pits.
I'm just saying that the surgeries to the face shouldn't be handed out no-questions asked.
It's easy for you as a yank (who tend to think what applies in America applies everywhere else, as yanks tend to be incredibly self centred and trying to project themselves everywhere else) to tell us how to spend our taxpayer's money. Weapons are needed because Europe is literally at war right now, and the UK's police are underfunded (except possibly Northern Ireland, but that region is still dealing with the aftermath of what could be described as a civil war spanning several decades)
Only 3.8% of the treasury goes towards police and 4.8% goes towards defence. Compare that to 18% goes towards health and 22% goes towards welfare.
We don't need you lot telling us how to run our country with your BS. We don't need foreigners telling us how to run our fediverse instances either.
It's really telling how as soon as someone critiques the way things are run on swamp island you just get defensive about 'foreigners' rather than taking the constructive criticism about your alleged healthcare system.
I'm an anarchist, I don't like any of these fucking countries, they're all capitalist shitholes, some more so than others. Fuck the wars, literally just setting money on fire and acting like the problem is minorities getting healthcare.
The only way this happens right now pretty much everywhere is if you have money, then you can get whatever gender affirming surgery you want, cis or trans. The issue I have is that even the first step of this process like hormones and non-invasive procedures are already extremely gatekept, do you think they should be more accessible or less?
Classic american thinking that every single country has their dogshit pay-to-win healthcare system.
at 6 years to provide service you might as well not have a healthcare system