But there are priviliged positions of power within those states. It's just another form to organize power. Those positions will not be available to everybody.

The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy,

That can't be all.

As you write, it doesn't work so something else should be tried.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Administration and management are necessities in complex and large-scale systems. This does imply power imbalance, but it does not imply the same character of class dynamics as in Capitalist states.

Social Democracy doesn't work, but Socialism does. We have seen this in practice quite effectively. There isn't a mythical "perfect" system, all Socialist states have faced internal and external struggles, but we have seen remarkable resiliance and success from them in a quantitatively and qualitatively different level from Capitalist states.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Xi Jinping is the son of a high ranking politician. How is that not some form of class dynamics?

Socialism does work

USSR failed by having to import grain, while having black earth.

But I am not opposing Socialism.

My point is that right-wing people shouldn't be ignored, especially not to the point of seeing them as enemies.

The upper class is using the split to reign. Insisting on a solution that has room for improvement locks in the current situation.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Having a parent as a politician and then being elected is not a "class." The alternative is to bar descendents from holding office, which is just trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

The USSR had problems we can analyze, but through collective farming methods became food stable in a country that frequently had famines. Further, we can see food stability in countries like the PRC.

We should not ignore right-wing proletarians. We should thoroughly correct their poor analysis and promote correct political lines. We should see fascists and the bourgeoisie, landlords, etc as enemies.

The upper class plays up division to distract, this is correct, but Socialism remains the correct path. There isn't a "perfect" Socialism, but that doesn't mean advocating for Socialism locks in the current situation. To the contrary, Socialist revolution has already happened in many areas.

I'd like to know what you mean by saying "Socialism has ro for improvement" as a general rule, and not as countries building Socialism iterating and working to resolve the problems that come with nation building in general.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Socialist revolution has already happened in many areas.

Which all go back to the white army losing. Some say it was intentionally. Can that be recreated?

Socialism locks in the current situation.

The early industrial society doesn't exist anymore. Capitalists have adapted and turned workers into consumers. The old paths are gone.

“Socialism has ro for improvement

Consumers don't want to endure hardship or analysis. They can't stand seeing the problem, how can they be receptive to a solution?

The material situation is the same but there is now a mental problem that hasn't been solved.

To fish for downvotes, let me add that the bro lifestyle is an attempt by the right to solve the mental issues while ignoring the material ones.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

The White Army was specific to Russia, not all Socialist states like China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. Don't really know what you're getting at, here.

Workers were always consumers. That's part of the problem with Capitalism, higher wages give more room for increased commodity circulation, but Capitalists don't want to pay their own workers higher wages. Further, industry is still the backbone of production worldwide, the Imperialist states in the West just export the hardest jobs to the Global South so they can have cheap goods without the harsh labor.

As Capitalism decays, proletarianization increases even in the Imperialist countries, and thus reception to Socialism increases.

There is no "mental problem that cannot be solved," this is quite literally inventing a problem that exists purely in your head. Idealism to a T.

Broism is a reaction to proletarianization, combined with patriarchial culture. It ignores analysis and goes for vibes-based solutions, which is why all bro-culture is incoherent and contradictory.