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Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

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You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


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And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There is broad agreement among observers that at its formation in Spring 2014, the Azov Battalion was associated with Neo-Nazi and far-right ideas, including through the use of symbolism and the political associations and statements of its leaders and cadre.[71][281] However, there is disagreement about the subsequent course of its evolution. Several researchers have stated in the years since that the Battalion's successors have depoliticized or deradicalized, identifying key landmarks in that process as its November 2014 incorporation into the national guard, a 2017 expulsion of some far right radicals, and Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022

Don't lie! You clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about and your reference to "white supremacy" in Ukraine is more of an attempt to establish a weird aesthetic. I dislike the term, but virtue signalling is an apt description of what you are doing.

The fact that you think racism in russia Wagner (or even just Azov in Ukraine) shows that you can't even conceptually evaluate a concept such the prevalence of racism.

I was in Kyiv during russian siege in Feb 22. Every 100 m there was a military checkpoint on the road by my place. So you are saying I was discriminated against when I passed those checkpoints and I am lying because I am a "Ukrainian uncle tom"?

We then left to the west of the country. We had the security services come to our rental apartment (standard procedure to check for saboteurs). So you claim that I am lying when I say my white relatives were far more freaked out by the interview than I was, because well Ukraine is extremely racist and they had to harass me in such a situation?

And the fact that you think racism in russia is limited to Wagner means that you're saying I never regularly encountered racism from both security services and regular russians (you probably don't consider racism against Ukrainians to be racism, but that's what I encountered in addition to being discriminater against and harassed because I am not white).

Honestly, there is an abstract beauty that you are so confident in your ignorance that you had the gall to show me (a non-white Ukrainian who has lived in both russia and Ukraine for many years) Wikipedia articles for Azov and Wagner as your source.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quite the virulent reaction there and many assumptions about stuff I never said. Take a chill pill dude

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Then don't talk out of your ass about things you have no fucking clue about.

Ukraine does not have anything close to the same level of racism as russia. And supremacist attitudes exist outside the bounds of race, just because you know nothing about it it this and are too lazy to educate yourself, it doesn't mean this is not a major issue (it is literally the root cause of the russian invasion).

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago