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Why does it say nothing about the 1989 protests on Tiananmen Square, Beijing? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by betterredthandead@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml
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In this article on baidu, there is a gap between 1988 and 1999, why is there nothing about some kind of protest that everyone keeps telling me about?

Edit: Thank you for responding, you have taught me a great deal about the usage and necessity of propaganda, counter-propaganda and censorship in a Marxist-Leninist state like China. Although some relied upon lies and insults as a means of trying to win an argunent, I got actual contentful theoretical education out of this, thanks.

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[–] RoomAndBored@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

July?

I don't see you interacting with Eat_Yo or my comments btw. Accepting your arguments in good faith, I'm going to say that I think you've misunderstood two things

  1. The Party doesn't view the (Western named) Tiananmen Incident of 4th of June in isolation. It was an event over a series and escalation of political disturbances leading up to that day. To take that day as the 'Event' is to miss the forest for the trees. It is understandable that the Party would not consider the pacification of the Square as an 'achievement', and I believe the links we've provided reinforce this view.
  2. Yes China does censor information around the event. I don't have the chops to really go in to defend this at the moment, but I appreciate that Western reportage on that period is lightning rod and source of misinformation and reaction. They most likely limit it to curtail those elements.
[–] Eat_Yo_Vegetables69@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did, somehow accusing me of goading them into an argument? like wtf

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just for utmost clarity, since I’m not sure who the subject is in your sentence above, RoomAndBored seems to be on your side…

[–] betterredthandead@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No incident happens isolated, only maybe american metaphysical social science professors would analyse it like that. Anyone that has been taught in historical and dialectical materialism will know how to view things like that.

Thank you for the response

[–] RoomAndBored@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No worries. It looks like you've been given a lot of links and stuff to mull over in this thread, and I've enjoyed reading some of the explanations too. I'll leave you to it and am happy to do further digging if you have questions and I have the time. Searching the Chinese web requires a bit more effort and know-how.