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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If I’m watching a fascinating TED Talk at home, I don’t need anyone to make my favourite tv show boring in order for me to pay attention.

You're comparing a TED Talk that you chose to watch to school curriculum.

I really hope you’re not a teacher or a parent, because your ideas seem not just ineffective but actually borderline abusive.

I'm a parent who has witnessed the effects of smart devices on children, and I have made serious mistakes in this area. Those mistakes are from being not restrictive enough. I believe the society has made similar mistakes, but is slowly turning to facing and understanding those mistakes. A generation has been lost, though, and some people (like yourself it seems) are still fighting against countering these problems. I hope you're not in any role where you can decide these things, because I think your opinions around this seem very harmful to both individuals and society.

[–] original_ish_name@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hope you're not in any role where you can decide these things, because I think your opinions around this seem very harmful to both individuals and society.

Ignoring what we're fighting about, just think of what you said there. You are saying (correct me if I'm wrong) that we should just not allow people with opinions that contradict you to not have any power

Sorry if I came off rude or I'm putting words in your mouth but stuff like that is not ideas I take lightly. I think it's a threat to democracy

EDIT: I also hate stuff like this that directly attacks the person with the ideas. I have noticed that the replies to you became a lot ruder after you said that (probably it rubbed off.) I thing it is important to be calm in a discussion


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You're comparing a TED Talk that you chose to watch to school curriculum.

Teachers regularly put informational videos (including TED talks) on in the classroom. It never becomes less interesting because it's forced upon me - if anything their a nice change of pace

Those mistakes are from being not restrictive enough

Can you please elaborate. What "mistakes" did you make and what do you do now (also please elaborate on the "mistakes" society made)

Also please elaborate on the "effect"

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

Ignoring what we’re fighting about, just think of what you said there. You are saying (correct me if I’m wrong) that we should just not allow people with opinions that contradict you to not have any power

No one should be basing policy decisions on opinions anyway. Those should be based off facts and data.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ignoring what we’re fighting about, just think of what you said there. You are saying (correct me if I’m wrong) that we should just not allow people with opinions that contradict you to not have any power

That was a reaction to them saying that they hope I'm not a parent. Which I am. Obviously not a good reaction, but it happened.

EDIT: I also hate stuff like this that directly attacks the person with the ideas. I have noticed that the replies to you became a lot ruder after you said that (probably it rubbed off.) I thing it is important to be calm in a discussion

I feel that I was attacked first and replied with similar energy, but oh well. That's how everyone feels in these things, right?

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You're comparing a TED Talk to school curriculum.

It was supposed to be an easy to understand example of information being imparted in a more efficient way because it's made interesting, not a one to one comparison. I felt that "listening to the teacher explain passionately and engagedly about the industrial revolution" was a bit clunky and on the nose.

I guess I underestimated how literal I have to be when dealing with someone who can't even imagine that pedagogy other than deprivation works.

I'm a parent who has witnessed the effects of smart devices on children, and I have made serious mistakes in this area. Those mistakes are from being not restrictive enough.

No, those mistakes have likely been mostly from increasing the temptation to goof off on their phones by boring them.

[–] BandoCalrissian@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Hey, I fell asleep halfway through your comment. Can you make it more engaging for me?

I apologize, but your comments started stuoid and the devolved into ignorant nonsense, and thus poor other fella keeps engaging you like you're capable of honest debate.

Education has never been about being more interesting than games or entertainment, and you sound like a nitwit for even suggesting it. Teachers are tasked with educating, and the #1 preventable reason for kids falling behind isn't "entertain me more!" . . . it's shit parenting and upbringing.

Kids lack impulse control worse than anyone -- taking away cell phones is an absolute no-brainer.