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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Can you give one example of a long-term, large scale, non-hierarchical system in human society?

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Ya. Why won't these fools realize that if something's never been done before on a large scale to perfection, it's because it's clearly impossible. Get on your knees like the rest of us, change is never any good

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

It would be encouraging to see one attempt at it not to have gone to shit though

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

So that is a no?

I am not knocking communism. I am knocking humans.

Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin.

And the name of the coin is scarcity. While there is limited resources, humans will fuck over others to get more.

Both are attempts to parcel out scarce resources.

Both fail because those that have the power to apportion those resources will favour themselves and their inner circle over the rest of the society.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I think the difference is the incentive structure. Communism has incidental corruption from humans. Capitalism literally rewards it, directly, buy turning capital into a zero sum game.