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Vivaldi Browser shows "Made with Love in Europe" when you start it for the first time (media.piefed.social)
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[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Apparently the developer is/was one of those guys who gets into fights over pronouns, maintaining that assuming everyone on the planet is male is somehow apolitical while inclusive language is not.

I honestly doubt it is/was hate as much as ignorance, but I'm not particularly well informed and I don't know the guy at all.

[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

because that's what sweden taught as the correct way in schools until very recently. the guy is an ESL former addict who is doing the project as therapy, and he merged the pr after being convinced.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he was open to change his mind, that's cool. It's hard to find good sources for anything going on in this controversy, especially considering the fact that it seems to come up any time anyone is talking about Ladybird. But by how little is out there it at least seems wrong to write the guy off as downright hateful.

I hope it got to a point where trans people are comfortable contributing to the project.

[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 days ago

so do i, but i assume it's hard to get new people in when these talking points keep getting repeated without anyone actually checking for updates (due to the talking points getting repeated).

[โ€“] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I want there to be a good ending to this, especially with him using it to help overcome his addiction. I want him to be happy for him learning and growing. Maybe he took responsibility in the project discord or something. I just have trouble finding genuine contrition - ESL is a poor excuse as it explains neither the hostility nor having a problem with grammatical pronouns that also exist in his mother tongue.

[โ€“] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

tone is cultural too. swedes are usually curt, and that can be seen as rude. most people who didn't grow up on the internet tend to use swedish tone in english writing and it comes off as very blunt.

and, as i noted elsewhere in the thread, hen is not a direct translation of they, and is a very new word. we've just started using it to refer directly to people but that's not its original intent.

[โ€“] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago

most people who didn't grow up on the internet tend to use swedish tone in english writing and it comes off as very blunt.

That also makes a lot of sense. While I remember dialup, I also was very social on the early web, BBSs, and MUDs, which definitely led to adopting more personable means of communicating via text. I'd say that it's not just a Swedish phenomenon but also occurs a lot with native English speakers who never adapted (ex. typing in all-caps).

[โ€“] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

Even if it's not outright hate, it's enough to give it a bad smell. I'm not nearly as willing to give people the benefit of the doubt in modern times on issues regarding gender. Were here to unequivocally state "Yes, I was wrong", sure, but I've been no such thing.