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Allegations? You mean the fact he openly admitted it to his biographer?
Journalists are generally not allowed to report on cases like this until a court case has been concluded
The biographer who has since retracted and clarified that it was never on over Crimea.
And even if you think the biographer is lying in his retraction, that then ruins all credibility for the book as anything can be a lie.
In which case an investigation would still be in order. If Musk is not in fact a traitor who actively worked against US interests and is not actively colluding with an enemy of the state indirectly resulting in civilian deaths, I would care to know as well.
Also, there's been 0 word from Ukraine saying they successfully used Starlink in Crimea prior to this problem.
If it truly was on in the past, they could claim he's lying as they used it successfully.
All we've heard from Ukraine is them condemning the move but nothing backing up it was actively turned off.
Them making a claim would further warrant an investigation.
Given the contradiction, something is probably worth doing ya.
But we are in the alleged territory not admitted territory.
A whole investigation is probably overkill though. I imagine it won't be hard for SpaceX to show their active coverage at a given time and just send the report to congress.
No need for hearings or anything like that.
40 hryvnia says that those logs will be mysteriously missing, or they simply "don't keep logs that long in the past" when it's requested.
I think I'd be surprised if they say they don't keep them that long. I have a feeling there might be some requirements imposed on them by the DoD in that regard.
It'd be nice to see something more official from SpaceX on the matter.
Someone else posted this yesterday relating to these allegations:
@Thorny_Thicket @chaogomu
That quote is wrong though. There absolutely was coverage for Crimea at one point. Elon took it away when he decided Ukrainians should not be able to use Starlink too far in Russian occupied Ukraine.
That "conflict area" thing is a joke also. The front lines elsewhere in Ukraine are not a conflict area?
@ukraine
He openly admitted at the start of service he wouldn’t allow use in crimea.
Not sure why people are acting all surprised when it’s been known from the start.
This has never been a secret.
Its just all disingenuous anti-musk bs
I don’t really have an opinion on his stance other than I understand his concern.
What I find more frightening is people wanting to seize private assets because they don’t like the rules around the service. That isn’t how America works.
These people don’t want to be part of America or any other civilized nation. I don’t think they know what they want really.
We are not at war with Russia. I personally don’t want to be at war with Russia but I support helping Ukraine.
Seizing the company is not only illegal but it’s fascism. It’s crazy how quickly people go fascist when they don’t get their way.