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I would say Obama is even worse than Biden as a role model to glorify.
You can draw a direct line between Obama's fellating of wall street and the rise to power of MAGA. He was elected on a mandate to punish the bankers and utterly failed at this task, he failed to enshrine Roe Vs Wade, and started a few wars. Combine this with other events like the management of Bernie Sanders' first attempt at the presidency, and you have a spectacularly inept democrat party that lost all credibility/appeal with swing voters.
Taking the current politics at face value, Trump would have 0 appeal if the democrats had a reasonable management of the border, if the democrats had actual economic politics instead of identity politics and didn't bend the knee to the military industrial complex as much as republicans did.
Which wars did Obama start?
I might have misspoke: it would be more accurate to state that he got the US involved in wars, rather than starting them. More specifically, he's criticized for getting the US in five wars and saber rattling with Iran.
So...
Afghanistan that Obama inherited from W., 2 wars in Iraq Obama inherited from W., training Syrian troops (who eventually did win) as a result of the Arab Spring and Assad gassing his own people which Obama did not start, and countering Yemen's Houthi aggression which could really be argued that Obama did too little to counter as we are still dealing with it to this day with Iran aiding the Houthis...
Iran has been a problem for the US since the Carter administration, can't really say Obama started that one either
Still unclear which if any of these conflicts Obama involved in
Sometimes it is best to be on the right side of history by being involved in a military conflict.
Being involved in a conflict does not automatically make it a bad thing
I don't really feel like rehashing all the ways that the Iraq/Afghanistan war were disastrous
You need to read about Timber Sycamore. Assad did a lot of bad things, but it's mental to imply that it was worth investing in Al-Qaeda affiliated militias to overthrow him. The new leader in Syria had a $10* million bounty on his head before rising to power in Syria, he is a leader of a splinter group of Al-Qaeda.
The Assad overthrow is not the pure-wholesome western win that you think it is. Sectarian minorities have been ethnically cleansed by these Syrian rebels now in power.
If you think that this is a success story from Obama's admin, I'm afraid there's no point discussing any longer.
Directions unclear
Is it because the CIA was involved that you automatically assume it was bad or that Al-Qaeda is the same organization it was 25 years ago?
25 years ago? The guy was wanted as a terrorist with a $10m bounty in 2017, the fuck you mean "25 years ago". The bounty was rescinded because he overthrew a government seen as hostile by Israel and the US.
Are you just ignoring the article I linked describing mass killings of Alawite? Are you trying to defend those guys?
The fuck I mean 25 years ago?
Gee, I dunno what happened about 25 years ago that could be historically relevant to this conversation /s
Yes, I am ignoring your articles
Of course I don't condone the mass killing of alawites. I am also not Syrian and do not know why Assad loyalist groups killed 26 civilians and 121 police members of the Syrian General Security Service or why Syrian security forces and pro-government fighters in response perpetrated the killing of more than 700 Alawite civilians across parts of the Latakia countryside
I try not to question the absurdity of civil war, the answers are never satisfying
"the border" is a republican red herring, there's basically nothing to fix, drugs and immigrants come other ways. Immigrants commit crimes at a rate much lower than citizens. It's all republican lies that democrats are somehow fix.
You take a moment to look at some unbiased vlogging on the US/Mexico border and tell me it was problem-free.
Otherwise you can read about the hotels being turned into expensive migrant refuges, which I've seen reported about across the country. The government was paying for that, for non-citizens, during an ongoing homelessness crisis.
Look at all the cheap slave-labor that vanished into thin air the moment Trump started deporting people.
You guys absolutely had a problem with immigration. And not only did the democrats not offer any actual solution, the problem got worse under their watch. This is a prime example of democrats having useless identity politics where they address problems by brow-beating people and calling them racist, rather than doing anything for their citizens.
Across the country != the border
I didn't say no problems with immigration. Please leave the goalpost where it was.
Then explain your point better because you aren't making sense.
"there’s basically nothing to fix" => "I didn’t say no problems with immigration."
Basically nothing != nothing