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Police should be there to cordon off the area for a tactical response in these situations, then negotiators communicate while a properly trained and equipped tactical team prepares a response and infiltration plan with the intent of non lethal response and a contingency for lethal action if the perp escalates it to that level, this part would be something like snipers, who’s first priority would be observation, keeping watch until they get a signal. Planning would be situational, as there is no universal outline for these situations. The job of the police in a tactical response situation should be crowd control, everything else is above their expertise.
For a lot of stuff that would work I think. But it also sounds a lot like how they used to respond to active shooters back in the late 90s. Terrorists used to hijack or take hostages to negotiate political demands, not just try to kill people.
So in that case that plan isn't great when people are helpless inside while waiting on a tactical team. That's why Uvalde caused such an outcry against the police response. They were crowd control when they had every chance to engage the shooter. You're right, there's no perfect plan for everything. I do think a negotiate/deescelate approach would be very helpful
The way it currently works for departments around here is their SWAT guys do ordinary patrols but they have extra training and gear to respond to tactical stuff too. I wonder if we could do the same for the other side of the spectrum and have some officers with extra training as negotiators?
A state set up tactical response team that was trained and prepared for the situation solves that problem entirely. Less funding for militarized police and just transfer that funding to a tactical response outfit. You’re acting like doing something new is simply impossible when it’s realistically the only logical conclusion, the funding and supplies are there already it’s just being used on complete bullshit.
I never said it was impossible and I don't believe that either. My point with that active shooter part was that even if you have a really good dedicated team, sometimes the response time matters or things get way worse by the time they arrive.
So if the tactical dream team was a thing how many of these teams would be needed to get a reasonable response time? Would it be one per city, or a set amount per region?
And yeah the police currently have a bunch of tactical stuff they have around and use on stuff they shouldn't "just in case"
It would take like four with helicopters to have at most a two hour response time for any situation while planning is happening during transit, and all we would have to do is stop buying tanks for the god damned cops.
But hey, you know what, fuck it, right? I’m so tired of this. Nevermind, let’s just do nothing and let the police do whatever the fuck they want, I guess, there’s no point in trying because nothing will ever be perfect every time so it’s not even worth trying because effort is hard and change is impossible. Fuck me, I hate this god damned country and every kowtowing god damned bootlicker in it. Why the fuck is everyone so fucking against doing anything logical? Why the fuck is this country so dead-set on the idea that if it’s not perfect then we might as well just boil in hell and do nothing about it?
Not even joking I didn't think of the helicopter idea, it's genuinely good