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Main Topic: The Ukraine conflict, focusing on the strategic failures of the US and the West, Russia's position, and the potential for escalation.

Key Points:

  • US Strategy Failure: The US gambled on pulling Ukraine into the Western orbit via NATO enlargement, believing Russia would fold. This was a miscalculation, as Ukraine is a core issue for Russia.
  • Trump's Position: Trump initially wanted to disengage from the conflict, recognizing it wasn't in America's interest. However, he faces pressure from the "deep state" and his recent statements show he may be succumbing to the normal politics of Washington.
  • European War Mongering: European countries are criticized for not focusing on achieving peace, instead pushing for continued war.
  • Zelensky's Role: Zelensky is portrayed as a dictator who is leading his people to destruction with no clear prospect of success.
  • Russia's Stance: Russia has consistently sought negotiations to address the root causes of the conflict (NATO enlargement, security issues). They've laid out their terms and are willing to negotiate.
  • Nuclear Risk: The drone attacks on Russian strategic bomber bases are seen as a dangerous escalation, potentially triggering Russia's nuclear doctrine. The UK is accused of playing a leading role in these attacks, acting as a terrorist nation.
  • Ukraine's Desperate Measures: Ukraine's recent actions (attacks on bridges, drone strikes) are characterized as acts of terrorism born out of desperation, having no real impact on the war's outcome.
  • Russia's Diplomatic and Operational Genius: Russia is praised for its diplomatic handling of the situation, particularly in the recent negotiations.
  • Internal Instability in Europe: Many European nations are facing political instability and questioning the current policies regarding the conflict.
  • Putin's Leadership: Putin is portrayed as a highly intelligent and stable leader who is preventing the situation from spiraling out of control.

Highlights:

  • The speaker accuses the British of being a "terrorist nation" for their alleged involvement in the drone attacks on Russian strategic assets.
  • The speaker claims that Russia is winning the war decisively and that Ukraine is on a path to total destruction.
  • The speaker asserts that Putin is far more intelligent than Trump and other Western leaders.
  • The speaker states that the CIA trained Ukrainian special operators on how to make C4-based explosives and infiltrate into Russia.

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[–] Hawanja@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

A newly elected government that is for neutrality and against joining NATO, while not being a pawn of the Western regimes, would greatly help the Ukrainian workers.

How is being a pawn of Putin any better than being a pawn of the west? We're talking about the lives and income of "workers" here. Seems to me the average worker in Ukraine would have way more opportunity if Ukraine is aligned with the west than with Putin.

Diplomacy and negotiations would be required, as well as not wanting to join NATO and staying neutral.

You say that like it's never been tried before. Tell me, what should Ukraine give up in order to obtain peace? Because Russia's terms for peace are essentially "Surrender."

Also why exactly would Ukraine not want to join NATO, especially since they've been invaded? Seems to me this is like telling someone you've threatened to kill that they're not allowed to call the police. Who in their right mind would agree to that?

The CIA and US military had been in Ukraine before 2014, as well as other Western agencies and military.

Please tell me how they are making money. The question was "Which intelligence agencies and politicians are making money from the war?" Please tell me how, exactly, the CIA is "making money" and which politician is "making money," i.e war profiteering, because that is your actual claim.

The military-industrial complex, they supply the weapons and bombs, and the land is flattened.

So your contention then is that corporations in "the west" are artificially extending the war by supplying Ukraine, specifically so they can profit from it, is that correct? Just want to be sure I'm not misunderstanding.

If that is right, then what, exactly, is your solution for Ukraine, which is not surrendering? Please assume for this discussion that surrender is not an option.