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[–] chortle_tortle@mander.xyz 73 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 33 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Well, considering that the US and Britain literally invented Israel, that tracks.

[–] ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

The British restricted Jewish, particularly Zionist, immigration to Palestine towards the end of the Mandate. And abstained from voting for the creation of the partition at the UN.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I'm curious and have no idea. Source? I never heard of this.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago

Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it's a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It's some heavy reading.

Boiled down though...

After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.

During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.

With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Here's the long version.

Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.

(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You two just left out the entire nakba.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yup. Did specifically say that I was missing tons of stuff in that super short summary of the formation of Israel. Also left out the Balfour declaration, the White Paper of 1939, the Buraq uprising, the Black Hand, Lehi and their attempted alliance with Nazi Germany, and much much more.

[–] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

a "little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Is that a quote from somewhere?

[–] LSNLDN@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 hours ago

Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate