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FVD, far right Dutch party, just made their party programme public (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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A while ago I talked about the Dutch socdem coalition Green/Labour and their party programme, which included a two state solution for Palestina, more money to NATO among other things.

Today the far right party FVD made their programme available, and it includes.... peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, deprofitization of healthcare, political asylum to Assange and Snowden (not Manning, though, she's trans after all), removal from EU and NATO.

MFW a far right party has LESS imperialist talking point than the 'hope of the left' lmao. Don't get me wrong, there's still fascist talks of anti-LGBTQ+ stuff and all. But fucking hell Dutch left get your shit together.

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[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If someone's pronouns are known, use them. To do otherwise is disrespectful.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That makes sense and it wouldn’t be hard for me to do, but it might be a cultural thing, but where I am people use they/them for absolutely everyone unless requested by the person or directly specified, or they’ll use their pronouns and they/them interchangeably.

But I see what you’re trying to say, I hope I don’t come across as dismissive or not agreeing.

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've just seen too many bigots say they/them for trans people because they are too bigoted to correctly gender the trans person, but don't want to seem bigoted. I'm going to assume you're acting in good faith, so please be aware that using they/them when you know someone's pronouns is still misgendering.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Of course, I understand what you mean. It does seem like a sneaky way to be transphobic without being overt about it.

I was actually a bit confused about that when I first heard that being a problem, and I was also a bit confused by reactionaries crying that they/them isn’t grammatically correct or whining about “being forced to use they/them”, because when I say that where I am it’s used for everyone, it’s used for EVERYONE, even if their pronouns are known. Cis, trans, non-binary, AMAB, AFAB, neo-pronouns, it doesn’t matter, everyone is “they/them” lmao. Only caveat is if the person asks you to not use that, or use something else instead, then it’s seen as rude or bad form to keep going with the they/them.

But I definitely see what you mean, and while it’s so ingrained and common I’ll probably keep doing that in real life, I can definitely try to avoid using they/them online.

Thanks for the explanation!